[nagdu] The things our dogs will try to do

Thu Sep 13 18:53:19 UTC 2012

wonder if he is related to Toga.

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From: Vanessa Lowery
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:56 PM
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Subject: [nagdu] The things our dogs will try to do

Correct, his yelp was one of surprise. When he is in pain, the yelp is an 
entirely different sound, and this was definitely a "what" yelp and not an 
"ouch" yelp.  Man, I can still see in my mind's eye and hear in my mind's 
ear Dave Johnson as he hung out of the driver's side window and growled, 
"You know better than that!!!"  He was thoroughly ticked off with Griffin. 
It's something we can chuckle about now, but we sure were not chuckling 
then.

My very silly and traffic bold dog still thinks he can pull stunts similar 
to that (like stopping to indicate some kind of obstacle while seizing the 
opportunity to sneak in a sniff).  the stinker!!!  He is what a fellow 
handler calls a dishonest guide.  In other words, he does great guide work 
and acts like he is *really* behaving himself while waiting for that moment 
when he can sneak in a transgression hopefully without being caught!!

Vanessa Lowery, LGSW
Adult and Community Services Division
Adult Services Screening Unit
410-853-3550
VLowery at dhr.state.md.us

>>> "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> 9/13/2012 1:14 PM >>>
Hahahaha! Griffin!

That's a funny story.  For the folks who might worry about Griffin yelping
when bopped by the wand - he did it in surprise not unlike the girly-girls
shrieking when surprised - and NOT in pain. I had that done to one of my
dogs while in training and the dog was no worse for it.  The dog learned
respect for moving traffic for sure!

Lyn and Landon
"Education creates tolerance towards diversity."
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From: "Vanessa Lowery" <vlowery at dhr.state.md.us>
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] newspaper practice at TSE was Re: First dog concerns

Obviously, I am catching this in the middle of the thread, so I don't know
how it started, but here is my story.

While in training wiht Griffin, one of the instructors executed a traffic
check down the driveway of a home in one of the training vans.  Mr. Griffin,
with his bold and confidence self, executed a beautiful traffic check, and I
was literally uttering, "Good boy, Griffin," when he suddennly yelped and
jumped back.  I saw that he had been nailed wht the traffic wand.  Well, it
seems that Mr. Griffin had decided that as long as he was stock still and as
long as the van was stock still, he would use that opportunity to take a
sniff of the van's bumper.  This *DID NOT* go over at all wiht Dave Johnson,
and that is why Griffin got nailed.  Dave growled at Griffin, "You know
better than that!!"  I was told to back the dog up to redo the traffic
check, the goal being that Griffi and his whole self was not only supposed
to make sure that I was a safe distance from the vehicle, but he was also
supposed to maintain that same safe distance while refraining from any
extra-curicular sniffing.  Let's jsut say that when the traffic check was
done again, Griffin stopped, stayed stopped, and kept his nose to himself.
Once I understood why Griffin got his nose bopped, I was fine with it, and
all these many ears later, Dave and I still talk about it.

Vanessa Lowery, LGSW
Adult and Community Services Division
Adult Services Screening Unit
410-853-3550
VLowery at dhr.state.md.us

>>> Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> 9/7/2012 4:25 PM >>>
I had never actually seen this done in the class, but it would be a
variation on that wand with the foam thingy or whatever attached to it. The
Seeing Eye takes pride in how their dogs deal with traffic, and I am
thinking that pride may not be unfounded. I don't know if it is over stated
or not. But unless I am going to train my own dog, and unless I am going to
give the school an idea that is a breakthrough approach to training, I am
going to be happy with the way they do these things. Once when Roger Taylor
came to see me to work with me and a dog, she snapped at him and he bonked
her on the nose with a newspaper. I'm thinking I would have done the same
thing.

CL

On Sep 6, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Marsha Drenth wrote:

> Hmmm guess Emma never needed the newspaper approach. I don't remember
> anyone in my class saying anything about it either. But my memory could be
> failing me, that was almost 5 years ago. Personally, I am not against it,
> whatever makes the dog do what its suppose to in traffic situations then
> sure!
>
>
>
> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If we're talking about what I think we're talking about, this isn't a new
>> practice and is used to help reinforce traffic work. That is to say, if
>> the dog gets too close to the moving car, it gets bopped on the nose, out
>> the car window, with a rolled up newspaper (which John Kean called a
>> "logic probe", LOL) Marcia, this is rarely seen in class.
>>
>> In such a situation, a leash correction wouldn't exactly work, nor would
>> it be appropriate.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jenny,
>>>
>>> Its okay for you to disagree with a school on their practices. It would
>>> be interesting to hear what the newspaper thing really is. It must be a
>>> new practice, as when I was there that never happened. I am not saying
>>> its right or wrong, but perhaps if we know more of how its done and how
>>> then maybe it won't sound so bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK,
>>>>
>>>> Please don't think I'm trying to flame a school of anything.  but I DO
>>>> NOT believe in hitting a dog with anything.  that's what a leash
>>>> correction is for!
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, and remember that I said that.  the practice of hitting
>>>> your dog with anything, even a newspaper, is barbaric.  also, in this
>>>> situation, someone can be just a hair off, and do exactly what had been
>>>> done to this dog and cause serious psychological and confidence issues.
>>>> Which seems to be the case here.
>>>>
>>>> Just my opinion,
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is a part of their training that they always receive. That's how
>>>>> they learn about traffic checks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 4, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Criminal Justice Major wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>> One question I have to ask is that when Chris H was in training and
>>>>>> the dog got too close in trafic, why was a rolled up newspaper used?
>>>>>> *Am curious*
>>>>>> I figure something like that would definitely not only traumatize the
>>>>>> dog, but wouldn't it lower confidence?
>>>>>> Bibi
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