[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Wed Sep 19 02:33:05 UTC 2012 

Yah, but why do they stick that wet nose deep down in the snow, sneeze and 
then do it all over again!  I know why they roll in it!  Its because they 
get tired of the ccolor of your carpet and bedspreads and want to 
redecorate!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?


> In snowy winters dogs are a blast.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>
>> But Iwoa has towns here and there but Nebraska!  Actually, I've also 
>> heard good things about Iowa as well! Both are good places to do snow 
>> training both with anbd without dogs!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>
>>
>>> Iowa Iowa Iowa, that's where the tall corn grows ... if there isn't a 
>>> drought going on.
>>>
>>> LOL.
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Us here even in Michigan about how good Nebraska is!  I'd love to visit 
>>>> sometime!  But, I might get lost in all that corn!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'll make you a deal.  You go to a good training center, one that does 
>>>>> fun things, and I'll go skydiving with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I attended residential training here in Nebraska.  During my time 
>>>>> there I went shopping, camping, bowling, played laser tag, to museums, 
>>>>> and lots of other things.  There is no amusement park here or I'm sure 
>>>>> we would have done that.  Do you think you are seeking the adrenaline 
>>>>> rush from amusement park rides so much because the rest of the time 
>>>>> you are pretty bored?  Perhaps getting out more on a  daily basis 
>>>>> would help you to stop craving that roller coaster rush?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know you at all and will freely admit that I may be way off 
>>>>> here. However you have written quite a few things that seriously 
>>>>> concern me about your well being.  I'm trying to reach out to you to 
>>>>> offer support, if you want it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay I have to get to work.  I'm teaching middle schoolers how to find 
>>>>> their personal motivation.  It's always a riot!
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie
>>>>> On 9/18/2012 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>>>> i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than ever 
>>>>>> considering any more independent training centers.  Besides I hate 
>>>>>> being away from home and at training centers you don't get to have 
>>>>>> any fun there's no amusement park trips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that not 
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another try,
>>>>>> there are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people on this
>>>>>> list would be happy to share their experiences with residential
>>>>>> training.  It's not going to work though, if you aren't ready or 
>>>>>> wanting
>>>>>> to take that step yet.  When you are ready all you have to do is ask 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> there will be support for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>> On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>>>> i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an 
>>>>>> independent
>>>>>> living program.  I got mobility training but still have no confidence
>>>>>> when traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6 months.
>>>>>> I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did was
>>>>>> make me more afraid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarah,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn some
>>>>>> blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live on your
>>>>>> own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you lots 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new
>>>>>> experiences.  There is always time to get a dog later, or some
>>>>>> residential programs will work the dog in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will never be
>>>>>> able to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your 
>>>>>> rights,
>>>>>> match your clothes or punch the time clock for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All my best to you,
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>>>> I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a guide
>>>>>> dog because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now that
>>>>>> I'm 20, I just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and go 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> I used to.  I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I live
>>>>>> so far away from Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in this
>>>>>> desert lots of times and we only go shopping once a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sarah.
>>>>>> I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my future--not 
>>>>>> soon,
>>>>>> but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after I
>>>>>> retire,
>>>>>> I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around 
>>>>>> town--the
>>>>>> grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every day. 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk, preferably
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and every
>>>>>> one of
>>>>>> them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my current
>>>>>> dog,
>>>>>> doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off a 
>>>>>> week
>>>>>> with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him for 
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> length of time.
>>>>>> I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired, but it 
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no desire
>>>>>> to go
>>>>>> anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone to 
>>>>>> cabin
>>>>>> fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go anywhere.
>>>>>> I just fel too tired
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not
>>>>>> going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of
>>>>>> wish I did, and maybe I'll start.  That's probably one of the
>>>>>> reasons I won't get any dogs after this one.  I don't think he's
>>>>>> getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change my mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
>>>>>> you walk 3-5 miles every day?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the
>>>>>> dog.  I think you are going to have a fine time of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my
>>>>>> room.  We walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we
>>>>>> cuddled.  At our school, they had us go out on their leisure path
>>>>>> with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
>>>>>> leash.  Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
>>>>>> He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
>>>>>> though I went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get
>>>>>> them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others are
>>>>>> being given dogs by the same instructor.  Some are restless the
>>>>>> first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot of
>>>>>> trouble with that with any of the dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely
>>>>>> know the difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and
>>>>>> golden cross.  He is six.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense
>>>>>> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
>>>>>> you have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>>>>
>>>>>> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am
>>>>>> a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
>>>>>> bonding with my dog, especially the first few days.  If the
>>>>>> person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
>>>>>> person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
>>>>>> few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
>>>>>> increases because now it has left all it knows behind except you,
>>>>>> so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid
>>>>>> team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
>>>>>> bonding that will only get stronger.  I think the key is a lot of
>>>>>> attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
>>>>>> when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
>>>>>> right and well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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