[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Wed Sep 19 02:46:36 UTC 2012

Having a guide dog will mean that you have to be independent and go outside
because your dog will need to be worked and exercised. If people are afraid
for you to go out because of the lack of sidewalks, then having a dog can
get really challenging.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sarah
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:13 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Here where I live there aren't any sidewalks so everybody is afraid for me
to go anywhere even with a guide dog

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry D.  Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:26:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Us here even in Michigan about how good Nebraska is!  I'd love to visit
sometime!  But, I might get lost in all that corn!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 I'll make you a deal.  You go to a good training center, one that does fun
things, and I'll go skydiving with you.

 I attended residential training here in Nebraska.  During my time there I
went shopping, camping, bowling, played laser tag, to museums, and lots of
other things.  There is no amusement park here or I'm sure we would have
done that.  Do you think you are seeking the adrenaline rush from  amusement
park rides so much because the rest of the time you are pretty  bored?
Perhaps getting out more on a  daily basis would help you to stop  craving
that roller coaster rush?

 I don't know you at all and will freely admit that I may be way off here.
 However you have written quite a few things that seriously concern me
about your well being.  I'm trying to reach out to you to offer support,  if
you want it.

 Okay I have to get to work.  I'm teaching middle schoolers how to find
their personal motivation.  It's always a riot!

 Julie
 On 9/18/2012 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:
 i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than ever
considering any more independent training centers.  Besides I hate being
away from home and at training centers you don't get to have any fun
there's no amusement park trips.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that not all
training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another try,  there
are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people on this  list would
be happy to share their experiences with residential  training.  It's not
going to work though, if you aren't ready or wanting  to take that step yet.
When you are ready all you have to do is ask and  there will be support for
you.

 Julie
 On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
 i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an independent
living program.  I got mobility training but still have no confidence  when
traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6 months.
 I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did was  make
me more afraid.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Sarah,

 Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn some
 blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live on 
your
 own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you lots of
options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new  experiences.
There is always time to get a dog later, or some  residential programs will
work the dog in.

 A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will never be  able
to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your rights,  match
your clothes or punch the time clock for you.

 All my best to you,
 Julie

 On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
 I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a guide  dog
because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now that  I'm 20, I
just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and go like  I used to.  I
kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I live  so far away from
Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in this  desert lots of times and
we only go shopping once a week.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
 Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Hi Sarah.
 I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?

 I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my future--not soon,
but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after I  retire,
I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around town--the
grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every day.  I
hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk, preferably  every
day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and every  one of
them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my current  dog,
doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off a week  with
no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him for any  length
of time.
 I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired, but it does
concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no desire  to go
anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone to cabin
fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.

 Tracy

 Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go anywhere.
 I just fel too tired

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not  going much
of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of  wish I did, and maybe
I'll start.  That's probably one of the  reasons I won't get any dogs after
this one.  I don't think he's  getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change
my mind.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:

  Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
  you walk 3-5 miles every day?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the  dog.  I
think you are going to have a fine time of it.

  Cindy

  On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:

  That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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<nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my  room.  We
walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we  cuddled.  At our
school, they had us go out on their leisure path  with the harness and an
instructor attched to him, too, with the  leash.  Then later we took them
out to relieve and have dinner.
 He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,  though I
went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get  them, whine a lot
because they hear familiar voices as others are  being given dogs by the
same instructor.  Some are restless the  first night or so when they are
with you; I've never had a lot of  trouble with that with any of the dogs.

  CL

  On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

  What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely  know the
difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and  golden cross.  He
is six.

  CL

  On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:

  that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense  how you
are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do  you have?

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

  \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am  a firm
believer in spending a lot of time in the process of  bonding with my dog,
especially the first few days.  If the  person who trained you is your
trainer, they will look to that  person for a while, but you will start to
see a switch over in a  few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the
bonding  increases because now it has left all it knows behind except you,
so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid  team, but
your dog and you will have already begun a strong  bonding that will only
get stronger.  I think the key is a lot of  attention, especially at first
and mostly from you, corrections  when you have to, and lots of praise when
the dog does something  right and well.

  CL

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