[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Wed Sep 19 03:02:02 UTC 2012

have that's what I've always wanted.  People always try to guide 
me when I'm using a cane and I have fallen down with a cane.  I 
have walked with guide dogs before xmakes me feel free.

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From: "Larry D.  Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net
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Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:22:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Because therapy dogs are trained differently.  They're the dogs 
you see in
hospitals and such.  Guide dogs are trained to do guide specific 
things like
not to let you bump into stuff.
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 Why not?

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 It may help but they really aren't therapy dogs.
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 From: "Sarah" <coastergirl92 at gmail.com
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 People tell more that I should have the dog because it will 
motivate me to
 get out.  I have to go we've put in a lot of time and the dog 
has already
 been trained just for me.  So I have to go.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:22:41 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Sarah, I think you have a lot bigger worries than that.  Your 
real
 concerns need to be that you are able to care for the dog, that 
you are
 going to be able to go explore, that you are willing to learn 
how to go
 places on your own and then do it, which could mean going gainst 
your mom.
 You are an adult now; you need to take on adult responsibilities 
that
 include flying from the  nest.  And I would discuss what the 
family is
 going to do about the poor laborador's problem.  Your dog will 
be on leash
 probably for a couple of weeks after you come home, or for a few 
days
 anyway, and gradually released from that depending on how it is 
adjusting.
 There will have to be efforts made by everyone to make sure that 
the dog's
 messes are cleaned up.  You will be expected to take your dog 
out on leash
 to relieve it, especially if you don't have a fenced in yard, 
but it is
 good to do that anyway.  Knowing the habits of your dog and how 
firm the
 stools are helps you to know how your dog is feeling.  There are 
lots and
 lots of concerns.  I am wondering if you should possibly change 
the date
 to another time.  I had mentioned it to you off list, but Julie 
was right.
 One of the centers for the blind might be even better than an IL 
Center
 for you to get the help you need.  I am concerned about the 
depression
 etc.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Sarah wrote:

 I've always had big concerns and worries.  I'm very worried not 
because I
 don't want to go explore, I can't wait to do that there is so 
many slaces
 here to explore we have a zoo within walking distance.  Ikm 
worried
 because we have a handicaped Labrador who can't get around very 
well due
 to a tumor in her spinal cord and partial paralysis.  She can't 
control
 her bowel movements so she goes in the house and I'm concerned 
for my
 guide dog coming into a house where a dog poops and urinates.  I 
know she
 can't help it, but I'm worried.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Vanessa Lowery" <vlowery at dhr.state.md.us
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 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:27:03 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Yes, getting a dog is not only hard work in class, but is 
equally hard
 work when at home.  A person deciding to get a guide dog needs 
to get it
 because he/she wants to, not because family is pushing you to do 
so.
 Granted, as you self-reported, you talked about getting a guide 
dog since
 young childhood, but what is your current take on getting a 
guide dog.
 Are you doing so for you or to satisfay the family?

 No one is discouraging you from getting a guide dog, Sarah, and 
being
 located in a rural living arrangement is not insurmountable wht 
a guide
 dog.  But you would ahve to take the initiative to find ways to 
go places
 where the dog could be worked.  One person I know lives wiht her 
husband
 in a rural setting, but she is able to take walks in the 
neighborhood wiht
 her dog.  Additionally, the dog gets some work where my friend 
is
 employed, and she and her husband go into town so the dog can 
get work in
 stores.  They also visit flea markets where the dog gets work.  
In your
 case, you may need to explore if you can do some walking in your 
immediate
 area.  And you need to explore if there is a transportation 
resource you
 can use to get you into town.  I have concerns that your family 
thinks
 that a guide dog is a well-trained pet.  If that is their 
perception, I
 have some real concerns.

 Vanessa Lowery, LGSW
 Adult and Community Services Division
 Adult Services Screening Unit
 410-853-3550
 VLowery at dhr.state.md.us

 Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> 9/18/2012 2:12 PM
 If you are getting the dog for the family, then you should 
really change
 your mind, I think, and get a pet.  Is there any possibility of 
your
 moving? Hou said you were in an independenbt living program for 
six
 months, but now you aren't.  You are twenty; the world is your 
future, but
 you have to help make it happen.  Fear holds us back so we have 
to just
 push through it, getting the help we need along the way.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:

 I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a 
guide dog
 because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now that 
I'm 20, I
 just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and go like I 
used to.  I
 kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I live so far 
away from
 Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in this desert lots of 
times and
 we only go shopping once a week.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
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 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
 Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Hi Sarah.
 I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?

 I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my 
future--not soon,
 but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after 
I retire,
 I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around 
town--the
 grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every 
day.  I
 hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk, 
preferably every
 day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and 
every one of
 them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my 
current dog,
 doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off 
a week
 with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him 
for any
 length of time.
 I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired, 
but it does
 concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no 
desire to
 go
 anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone 
to cabin
 fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.

 Tracy

 Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go 
anywhere.
 I just fel too tired

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not
 going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of
 wish I did, and maybe I'll start.  That's probably one of the
 reasons I won't get any dogs after this one.  I don't think he's
 getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change my mind.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:

 Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
 you walk 3-5 miles every day?
 ----- Original Message -----
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 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the
 dog.  I think you are going to have a fine time of it.

 Cindy

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:

 That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.

 ----- Original Message -----
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 Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my
 room.  We walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we
 cuddled.  At our school, they had us go out on their leisure 
path
 with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
 leash.  Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
 He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
 though I went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get
 them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others 
are
 being given dogs by the same instructor.  Some are restless the
 first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot 
of
 trouble with that with any of the dogs.

 CL

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

 What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?

 ----- Original Message -----
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 Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely
 know the difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and
 golden cross.  He is six.

 CL

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:

 that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense
 how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
 you have?

 ----- Original Message -----
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 Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am
 a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
 bonding with my dog, especially the first few days.  If the
 person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
 person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
 few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
 increases because now it has left all it knows behind except 
you,
 so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid
 team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
 bonding that will only get stronger.  I think the key is a lot 
of
 attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
 when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
 right and well.

 CL

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