[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Wed Sep 19 03:34:14 UTC 2012


You got that right!  I'll try anything once!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hannah Chadwick" <sparklylicious at gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?


> Sarah,
> I know this isn't the place to bring up these types of conversations.
> However, I want to let you know that you can pretty much do anything you
> want if you are determined. Not having sight shouldn't make any difference
> in what we want to do. please don't let your sight get in the way of what
> you may want to do in your future.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sarah
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:20 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Yeah that would rock! I want to do something with animals but I'm not sure
> what I could do because of my sight.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry D.  Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:41:00 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> To bad you couldn't go to college and study how the rides work.
> Or maybe
> study how they market the different rides, games and even the food they
> sell.  That would be a fun job!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah" <coastergirl92 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
>
> Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there aren't
> very many blind people up here.  Besides amusement parks are my passion.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Sarah, I  hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
> You are
> going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't setting your
> sights very high.  The attitude you have about bettering yourself is so
> limited, that I fear you might be in a bit of a rut, and it is really
> driven by fear.  I get that, but as I have said before, you have to slog
> through t he fear.  I am sorry you feel that way because there are a lot 
> of
> really rich experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just 
> go
> for it.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than ever
> considering any more independent training centers.  Besides I hate being
> away from home and at training centers you don't get to have any fun
> there's no amusement park trips.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that not all
> training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another try, 
> there
> are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people on this  list 
> would
> be happy to share their experiences with residential  training.  It's not
> going to work though, if you aren't ready or wanting  to take that step 
> yet.
> When you are ready all you have to do is ask and  there will be support 
> for
> you.
>
> Julie
> On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
> i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an independent
> living program.  I got mobility training but still have no confidence 
> when
> traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6 months.
> I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did was  make
> me more afraid.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Sarah,
>
> Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn some
> blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live on
> your
> own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you lots of
> options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new 
> experiences.
> There is always time to get a dog later, or some  residential programs 
> will
> work the dog in.
>
> A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will never be 
> able
> to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your rights,  match
> your clothes or punch the time clock for you.
>
> All my best to you,
> Julie
>
>
> On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
> I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a guide  dog
> because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now that  I'm 20, I
> just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and go like  I used to. 
> I
> kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I live  so far away from
> Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in this  desert lots of times and
> we only go shopping once a week.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
> Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
> Hi Sarah.
> I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
>
> I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my future--not soon,
> but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after I 
> retire,
> I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around town--the
> grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every day.  I
> hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk, preferably 
> every
> day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and every  one 
> of
> them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my current 
> dog,
> doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off a week 
> with
> no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him for any 
> length
> of time.
> I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired, but it does
> concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no desire  to 
> go
> anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone to cabin
> fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
>
> Tracy
>
> Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go anywhere.
> I just fel too tired
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not  going much
> of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of  wish I did, and 
> maybe
> I'll start.  That's probably one of the  reasons I won't get any dogs 
> after
> this one.  I don't think he's  getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't 
> change
> my mind.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
>
> Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do  you walk 3-5 miles every
> day?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the  dog.  I
> think you are going to have a fine time of it.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my  room.  We
> walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we  cuddled.  At our
> school, they had us go out on their leisure path  with the harness and an
> instructor attched to him, too, with the  leash.  Then later we took them
> out to relieve and have dinner.
> He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,  though I
> went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get  them, whine a lot
> because they hear familiar voices as others are  being given dogs by the
> same instructor.  Some are restless the  first night or so when they are
> with you; I've never had a lot of  trouble with that with any of the dogs.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely  know the
> difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and  golden cross.  He
> is six.
>
> CL
>
> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense  how you 
> are
> feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do  you have?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog  Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org  Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>
> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am  a firm
> believer in spending a lot of time in the process of  bonding with my dog,
> especially the first few days.  If the  person who trained you is your
> trainer, they will look to that  person for a while, but you will start to
> see a switch over in a  few days.  When you take that dog home, I think 
> the
> bonding  increases because now it has left all it knows behind except you,
> so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid  team, but
> your dog and you will have already begun a strong  bonding that will only
> get stronger.  I think the key is a lot of  attention, especially at first
> and mostly from you, corrections  when you have to, and lots of praise 
> when
> the dog does something  right and well.
>
> CL
>
>
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