[nagdu] Nowhere to go?

Wed Sep 19 14:04:07 UTC 2012

Have any of you had an experience where a guide dog growled at 
someone? If so, what's the best way to corrct it? Leash 
correction or verbal correction?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:23:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

I am very sorry for your experiences at the blind school.  But 
this is a list for guide dogs.  Please stay on topic, no blind 
community bashing here, please.

Thank you,

Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Andrew Edgcumbe 
<andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:

 the thing is allot of the blind community i found was rude and 
things
 at the school for the blind here in ontario even if there was a 
center
 here i wouldn't go the school had to much drama there was back 
biting
 and i was pushed and shoved even a guy who was a restler took 
hold of
 me and pulled me down the stairs and things.

 I  to be honest am sick of these so called blind centers and 
things it
 would be better to just stay and learn things in the regular 
school
 system.
 so i been through my share of abuse by the blind community.

 On 9/18/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Yeah but people are rude there and act like immature
 preschoolers.  All they talked about was sex and I got touched
 and forced to suck you-know-what.  It was hoorible because most
 of the people there even though they were in their 30's all they
 did was drink when class was done.  And when we went to the 
beach
 and the amusement park I got left behind like usual and had to 
go
 ride everything by myself at the amusement parkstpier.  And at
 the beach everyone left me at the bar and I had anxiety attacks
 all day.  The only time I'm happy is when I'm around animals or
 especially on a roller coaster.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:54 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Maybe you actually need to talk about what happened.  It might
 help, and I'd be glad to listen.  Do you mean at the IL Center?
 Maybe if your experience is bad there, you need to find a place
 that doesn't have that kind of memories tied up in it.

 Cindy

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Sarah wrote:

 I was going to go back to where I went before because it would
 be more fun with a guide dog.  I hated the first experience
 because I had stuff happen that I will not talk about on here
 because it was bad.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:31:19 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Sarah, why do you have to stay there.  And earlier, you said you
 thought to go to Los Angeles and certify to be one; yet you say
 you won't go away from home again for training.  You aren't
 making too much sense.

 Cindy

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

 Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there
 aren't very many blind people up here.  Besides amusement parks
 are my passion.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Sarah, I  hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
 You are going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't
 setting your sights very high.  The attitude you have about
 bettering yourself is so limited, that I fear you might be in a
 bit of a rut, and it is really driven by fear.  I get that, but
 as I have said before, you have to slog through t he fear.  I am
 sorry you feel that way because there are a lot of really rich
 experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just go
 for it.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:

 i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than
 ever considering any more independent training centers.  Besides
 I hate being away from home and at training centers you don't 
get
 to have any fun there's no amusement park trips.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that
 not all
 training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another
 try,
 there are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people on
 this
 list would be happy to share their experiences with residential
 training.  It's not going to work though, if you aren't ready or
 wanting
 to take that step yet.  When you are ready all you have to do is
 ask and
 there will be support for you.

 Julie
 On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
 i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an
 independent
 living program.  I got mobility training but still have no
 confidence
 when traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6
 months.
 I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did
 was
 make me more afraid.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Sarah,

 Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn
 some
 blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live on
 your
 own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you
 lots of
 options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new
 experiences.  There is always time to get a dog later, or some
 residential programs will work the dog in.

 A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will
 never be
 able to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your
 rights,
 match your clothes or punch the time clock for you.

 All my best to you,
 Julie

 On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
 I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a
 guide
 dog because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now
 that
 I'm 20, I just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and
 go like
 I used to.  I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I
 live
 so far away from Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in
 this
 desert lots of times and we only go shopping once a week.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
 Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?

 Hi Sarah.
 I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?

 I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my
 future--not soon,
 but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after
 I
 retire,
 I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around
 town--the
 grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every
 day.  I
 hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk,
 preferably
 every
 day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and
 every
 one of
 them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my
 current
 dog,
 doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off
 a week
 with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him
 for any
 length of time.
 I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired,
 but it does
 concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no
 desire
 to go
 anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone
 to cabin
 fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.

 Tracy

 Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go
 anywhere.
 I just fel too tired

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not
 going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of
 wish I did, and maybe I'll start.  That's probably one of the
 reasons I won't get any dogs after this one.  I don't think he's
 getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change my mind.

 CL

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:

 Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
 you walk 3-5 miles every day?
 ----- Original Message -----
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 Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the
 dog.  I think you are going to have a fine time of it.

 Cindy

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:

 That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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 Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my
 room.  We walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we
 cuddled.  At our school, they had us go out on their leisure
 path
 with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
 leash.  Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
 He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
 though I went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get
 them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others
 are
 being given dogs by the same instructor.  Some are restless the
 first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot
 of
 trouble with that with any of the dogs.

 CL

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:

 What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely
 know the difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and
 golden cross.  He is six.

 CL

 On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:

 that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense
 how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
 you have?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
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 Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class

 \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am
 a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
 bonding with my dog, especially the first few days.  If the
 person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
 person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
 few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
 increases because now it has left all it knows behind except
 you,
 so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid
 team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
 bonding that will only get stronger.  I think the key is a lot
 of
 attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
 when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
 right and well.

 CL

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