[nagdu] Working with dogs in class before we got our own dogs

Sun Sep 23 18:06:53 UTC 2012

Lyn, that would have been fun!  This is the first time I've heard of that 
though!  I know that Leader has a program for kids and one day they they get 
the chance to use a dog.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Working with dogs in class before we got our own dogs


> Yeah, Seeing Eye also does this - at least when I was there in 2007.
>
> What they did was to bring in a bunch of ready dogs from the kennel and 
> had us just handle them all, swapping them off to each other.  the 
> instructors did this before we got our dogs and we were told that these 
> dogs may or may not be the ones issued in our class.  This helps the 
> instructors in matching us with the dogs we might get.  They had a variety 
> of breeds, temporaments, and sizes for us to try out.
>
> I had this experience in 1999 when I got jacob.  We did this exercise with 
> trying ouot a bunch of dogs - no harness, just being with them and 
> handling them on leash.  We did this in the dog relief area and I worked 
> with a couple of dogs.  It turned out that Jacob was one of the dogs I 
> worked with but didn't know if he was slated for my class or not.  Turned 
> out that I got Jacob when the dogs were issued the next day!  Hahaha!  He 
> worked until he waas nine and a half and he is retired now with someone 
> from my former church.  Jacob will be 15 in December and he is still 
> relatively healthy but very old!
>
> When we did this for my 2007 class, I worked with several dogs but Landon 
> was not among the group this time.  This time, we worked with the dogs 
> indoors and walked them down to the diningroom and back.  We also sat down 
> and tried to handle them by making them lie quietly next to us.  But 
> later, after we all got our dogs, my instructor told me that I almost got 
> the black Lab that my teammate in class got but the instructor felt that 
> Landon was the better match and I got him.  Turned ouot that the man who 
> got the other match for me didn't last for that guy.  That dog had an 
> illness that forced retirement about a year later.
>
> I like this practise because it gives the instructors actual views on how 
> each person relates to each kind of dog and it helps alot in their 
> ultimate matches for us.  I hope TSE still does this!  Not to mention the 
> fun we all had as we anxiously waited to get our own new dogs!
>
> Lyn and Landon
> "Education creates tolerance towards diversity."
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>
>
>> Wow, really? They have you work with all the dogs there before matching 
>> you with the dog? Is this to really make a final determination? Do you 
>> know how many other students will be there?
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Sarah wrote:
>>
>>> 'm just too excited: I was up at 5:56 today because I'm ready to leave. 
>>> I will have an opportunity to work with each dogthere before I get 
>>> matched with my dog on Wednesday.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:05:58 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> Sarah, you will learn a lot of this stuff at training with your dog. 
>>> Just look forward to  meeting the dog right now.  I think your anxiety 
>>> will be less.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> Have any of you had an experience where a guide dog growled at someone? 
>>> If so, what's the best way to corrct it? Leash correction or verbal 
>>> correction?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:23:02 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> I am very sorry for your experiences at the blind school.  But this is a 
>>> list for guide dogs.  Please stay on topic, no blind community bashing 
>>> here, please.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Andrew Edgcumbe <andrewjedg at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the thing is allot of the blind community i found was rude and things
>>> at the school for the blind here in ontario even if there was a center
>>> here i wouldn't go the school had to much drama there was back biting
>>> and i was pushed and shoved even a guy who was a restler took hold of
>>> me and pulled me down the stairs and things.
>>>
>>> I  to be honest am sick of these so called blind centers and things it
>>> would be better to just stay and learn things in the regular school
>>> system.
>>> so i been through my share of abuse by the blind community.
>>>
>>> On 9/18/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah but people are rude there and act like immature
>>> preschoolers.  All they talked about was sex and I got touched
>>> and forced to suck you-know-what.  It was hoorible because most
>>> of the people there even though they were in their 30's all they
>>> did was drink when class was done.  And when we went to the beach
>>> and the amusement park I got left behind like usual and had to go
>>> ride everything by myself at the amusement parkstpier.  And at
>>> the beach everyone left me at the bar and I had anxiety attacks
>>> all day.  The only time I'm happy is when I'm around animals or
>>> especially on a roller coaster.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:54 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> Maybe you actually need to talk about what happened.  It might
>>> help, and I'd be glad to listen.  Do you mean at the IL Center?
>>> Maybe if your experience is bad there, you need to find a place
>>> that doesn't have that kind of memories tied up in it.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> I was going to go back to where I went before because it would
>>> be more fun with a guide dog.  I hated the first experience
>>> because I had stuff happen that I will not talk about on here
>>> because it was bad.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:31:19 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> Sarah, why do you have to stay there.  And earlier, you said you
>>> thought to go to Los Angeles and certify to be one; yet you say
>>> you won't go away from home again for training.  You aren't
>>> making too much sense.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there
>>> aren't very many blind people up here.  Besides amusement parks
>>> are my passion.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> Sarah, I  hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
>>> You are going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't
>>> setting your sights very high.  The attitude you have about
>>> bettering yourself is so limited, that I fear you might be in a
>>> bit of a rut, and it is really driven by fear.  I get that, but
>>> as I have said before, you have to slog through t he fear.  I am
>>> sorry you feel that way because there are a lot of really rich
>>> experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just go
>>> for it.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than
>>> ever considering any more independent training centers.  Besides
>>> I hate being away from home and at training centers you don't get
>>> to have any fun there's no amusement park trips.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that
>>> not all
>>> training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another
>>> try,
>>> there are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people on
>>> this
>>> list would be happy to share their experiences with residential
>>> training.  It's not going to work though, if you aren't ready or
>>> wanting
>>> to take that step yet.  When you are ready all you have to do is
>>> ask and
>>> there will be support for you.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>> On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>> i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an
>>> independent
>>> living program.  I got mobility training but still have no
>>> confidence
>>> when traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6
>>> months.
>>> I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did
>>> was
>>> make me more afraid.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> Sarah,
>>>
>>> Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn
>>> some
>>> blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live on
>>> your
>>> own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you
>>> lots of
>>> options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new
>>> experiences.  There is always time to get a dog later, or some
>>> residential programs will work the dog in.
>>>
>>> A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will
>>> never be
>>> able to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your
>>> rights,
>>> match your clothes or punch the time clock for you.
>>>
>>> All my best to you,
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>> I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a
>>> guide
>>> dog because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now
>>> that
>>> I'm 20, I just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and
>>> go like
>>> I used to.  I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I
>>> live
>>> so far away from Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in
>>> this
>>> desert lots of times and we only go shopping once a week.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> Hi Sarah.
>>> I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
>>>
>>> I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my
>>> future--not soon,
>>> but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after
>>> I
>>> retire,
>>> I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around
>>> town--the
>>> grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every
>>> day.  I
>>> hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk,
>>> preferably
>>> every
>>> day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and
>>> every
>>> one of
>>> them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my
>>> current
>>> dog,
>>> doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off
>>> a week
>>> with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him
>>> for any
>>> length of time.
>>> I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired,
>>> but it does
>>> concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no
>>> desire
>>> to go
>>> anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone
>>> to cabin
>>> fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go
>>> anywhere.
>>> I just fel too tired
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>
>>> No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not
>>> going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of
>>> wish I did, and maybe I'll start.  That's probably one of the
>>> reasons I won't get any dogs after this one.  I don't think he's
>>> getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change my mind.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
>>> you walk 3-5 miles every day?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>
>>> Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the
>>> dog.  I think you are going to have a fine time of it.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>
>>> His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my
>>> room.  We walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we
>>> cuddled.  At our school, they had us go out on their leisure
>>> path
>>> with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
>>> leash.  Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
>>> He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
>>> though I went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get
>>> them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others
>>> are
>>> being given dogs by the same instructor.  Some are restless the
>>> first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot
>>> of
>>> trouble with that with any of the dogs.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>
>>> I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely
>>> know the difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and
>>> golden cross.  He is six.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense
>>> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
>>> you have?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
>>>
>>> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am
>>> a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
>>> bonding with my dog, especially the first few days.  If the
>>> person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
>>> person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
>>> few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
>>> increases because now it has left all it knows behind except
>>> you,
>>> so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid
>>> team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
>>> bonding that will only get stronger.  I think the key is a lot
>>> of
>>> attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
>>> when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
>>> right and well.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
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