[nagdu] Working with dogs in class before we got our own dogs

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Sun Sep 23 20:30:57 UTC 2012


Oh, they don't do it anymore? That's too bad, but maybe they had to cut it out because of less days. You went to TSE right? Did you get your dog Tuesday or Wednesday.

Cindy

On Sep 23, 2012, at 3:16 PM, d m gina wrote:

> Hello,
> I was hoping we would have done that in class, but we didn't.
> I even asked.
> They said this was stopped.
> I shared I learned about it from a friend of mine who got her dog several years ago.
> I bet that was fun.
> Original message:
>> Yeah, Seeing Eye also does this - at least when I was there in 2007.
> 
>> What they did was to bring in a bunch of ready dogs from the kennel and had
>> us just handle them all, swapping them off to each other.  the instructors
>> did this before we got our dogs and we were told that these dogs may or may
>> not be the ones issued in our class.  This helps the instructors in matching
>> us with the dogs we might get.  They had a variety of breeds, temporaments,
>> and sizes for us to try out.
> 
>> I had this experience in 1999 when I got jacob.  We did this exercise with
>> trying ouot a bunch of dogs - no harness, just being with them and handling
>> them on leash.  We did this in the dog relief area and I worked with a
>> couple of dogs.  It turned out that Jacob was one of the dogs I worked with
>> but didn't know if he was slated for my class or not.  Turned out that I got
>> Jacob when the dogs were issued the next day!  Hahaha!  He worked until he
>> waas nine and a half and he is retired now with someone from my former
>> church.  Jacob will be 15 in December and he is still relatively healthy but
>> very old!
> 
>> When we did this for my 2007 class, I worked with several dogs but Landon
>> was not among the group this time.  This time, we worked with the dogs
>> indoors and walked them down to the diningroom and back.  We also sat down
>> and tried to handle them by making them lie quietly next to us.  But later,
>> after we all got our dogs, my instructor told me that I almost got the black
>> Lab that my teammate in class got but the instructor felt that Landon was
>> the better match and I got him.  Turned ouot that the man who got the other
>> match for me didn't last for that guy.  That dog had an illness that forced
>> retirement about a year later.
> 
>> I like this practise because it gives the instructors actual views on how
>> each person relates to each kind of dog and it helps alot in their ultimate
>> matches for us.  I hope TSE still does this!  Not to mention the fun we all
>> had as we anxiously waited to get our own new dogs!
> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Education creates tolerance towards diversity."
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
> 
>>> Wow, really? They have you work with all the dogs there before matching
>>> you with the dog? Is this to really make a final determination? Do you
>>> know how many other students will be there?
> 
>>> Cindy
> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> 'm just too excited: I was up at 5:56 today because I'm ready to leave.
>>>> I will have an opportunity to work with each dogthere before I get
>>>> matched with my dog on Wednesday.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:05:58 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> Sarah, you will learn a lot of this stuff at training with your dog.
>>>> Just look forward to  meeting the dog right now.  I think your anxiety
>>>> will be less.
> 
>>>> Cindy
> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> Have any of you had an experience where a guide dog growled at someone?
>>>> If so, what's the best way to corrct it? Leash correction or verbal
>>>> correction?
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:23:02 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> I am very sorry for your experiences at the blind school.  But this is a
>>>> list for guide dogs.  Please stay on topic, no blind community bashing
>>>> here, please.
> 
>>>> Thank you,
> 
>>>> Marsha drenthSent from my iPhone
> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:36 PM, Andrew Edgcumbe <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
> 
>>>> the thing is allot of the blind community i found was rude and things
>>>> at the school for the blind here in ontario even if there was a center
>>>> here i wouldn't go the school had to much drama there was back biting
>>>> and i was pushed and shoved even a guy who was a restler took hold of
>>>> me and pulled me down the stairs and things.
> 
>>>> I  to be honest am sick of these so called blind centers and things it
>>>> would be better to just stay and learn things in the regular school
>>>> system.
>>>> so i been through my share of abuse by the blind community.
> 
>>>> On 9/18/12, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Yeah but people are rude there and act like immature
>>>> preschoolers.  All they talked about was sex and I got touched
>>>> and forced to suck you-know-what.  It was hoorible because most
>>>> of the people there even though they were in their 30's all they
>>>> did was drink when class was done.  And when we went to the beach
>>>> and the amusement park I got left behind like usual and had to go
>>>> ride everything by myself at the amusement parkstpier.  And at
>>>> the beach everyone left me at the bar and I had anxiety attacks
>>>> all day.  The only time I'm happy is when I'm around animals or
>>>> especially on a roller coaster.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:05:54 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> Maybe you actually need to talk about what happened.  It might
>>>> help, and I'd be glad to listen.  Do you mean at the IL Center?
>>>> Maybe if your experience is bad there, you need to find a place
>>>> that doesn't have that kind of memories tied up in it.
> 
>>>> Cindy
> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> I was going to go back to where I went before because it would
>>>> be more fun with a guide dog.  I hated the first experience
>>>> because I had stuff happen that I will not talk about on here
>>>> because it was bad.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:31:19 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> Sarah, why do you have to stay there.  And earlier, you said you
>>>> thought to go to Los Angeles and certify to be one; yet you say
>>>> you won't go away from home again for training.  You aren't
>>>> making too much sense.
> 
>>>> Cindy
> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> Like what? I've considered being a braille instructor but there
>>>> aren't very many blind people up here.  Besides amusement parks
>>>> are my passion.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:18:07 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> Sarah, I  hate to have to say this, but you need to grow up.
>>>> You are going to go away to get your dog, yes? You really aren't
>>>> setting your sights very high.  The attitude you have about
>>>> bettering yourself is so limited, that I fear you might be in a
>>>> bit of a rut, and it is really driven by fear.  I get that, but
>>>> as I have said before, you have to slog through t he fear.  I am
>>>> sorry you feel that way because there are a lot of really rich
>>>> experiences beyond amusement parks awaiting you if you just go
>>>> for it.
> 
>>>> CL
> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> i'm never doing it again.  I'd rather do a solo skydive than
>>>> ever considering any more independent training centers.  Besides
>>>> I hate being away from home and at training centers you don't get
>>>> to have any fun there's no amusement park trips.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:53:34 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience.  Please know that
>>>> not all
>>>> training centers are like that.  If you want to give it another
>>>> try,
>>>> there are lots of people who can assist you.  I'm sure people on
>>>> this
>>>> list would be happy to share their experiences with residential
>>>> training.  It's not going to work though, if you aren't ready or
>>>> wanting
>>>> to take that step yet.  When you are ready all you have to do is
>>>> ask and
>>>> there will be support for you.
> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 9/18/2012 1:22 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>> i just came home from a six-month hellish experience at an
>>>> independent
>>>> living program.  I got mobility training but still have no
>>>> confidence
>>>> when traveling with a cane.  I was down in Los Angeles for 6
>>>> months.
>>>> I thought it would make me want to be independent but all it did
>>>> was
>>>> make me more afraid.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:16:56 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> Sarah,
> 
>>>> Might I suggest going away to a residential program to learn
>>>> some
>>>> blindness skills?   It would give you the opportunity to live on
>>>> your
>>>> own, gain life skills, be independent from your family, give you
>>>> lots of
>>>> options for your future and provide an opportunity to have new
>>>> experiences.  There is always time to get a dog later, or some
>>>> residential programs will work the dog in.
> 
>>>> A guide dog can do a lot of really great things, but it will
>>>> never be
>>>> able to balance your checkbook, cook dinner, stand up for your
>>>> rights,
>>>> match your clothes or punch the time clock for you.
> 
>>>> All my best to you,
>>>> Julie
> 
> 
>>>> On 9/18/2012 1:08 PM, Sarah wrote:
>>>> I want to just get a pet but sty family all want me to have a
>>>> guide
>>>> dog because I've been talking about it since I was 7.  But now
>>>> that
>>>> I'm 20, I just feel too tired and I don't have that get up and
>>>> go like
>>>> I used to.  I kind of just feel like sleeping all day because I
>>>> live
>>>> so far away from Magic Mountain.  I've been everywhere up in
>>>> this
>>>> desert lots of times and we only go shopping once a week.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:04:27 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> Hi Sarah.
>>>> I wonder why you want a dog, if you feel you have nowhere to go?
> 
>>>> I am old enough to see the glimmer of retirement in my
>>>> future--not soon,
>>>> but not impossibly far off, either.  But I think that even after
>>>> I
>>>> retire,
>>>> I'll have places to go.  I'll still have the usual trips around
>>>> town--the
>>>> grocery, diner, pharmacy, shopping...though those won't be every
>>>> day.  I
>>>> hope to do a bit of travelling.  And to get out and walk,
>>>> preferably
>>>> every
>>>> day, just to keep myself fit.  I've had 6 guide dogs now, and
>>>> every
>>>> one of
>>>> them has done best when they've gotten regular work.  Ben, my
>>>> current
>>>> dog,
>>>> doesn't require miles and miles a day, and can take one day off
>>>> a week
>>>> with no problem, but he still gets squirrely if I don't work him
>>>> for any
>>>> length of time.
>>>> I think my dogs will still get enough work, once I'm retired,
>>>> but it does
>>>> concern me a bit.  If I felt I really had nowhere to go, or no
>>>> desire
>>>> to go
>>>> anywhere, I'd just get myself a pet.  But, being somewhat prone
>>>> to cabin
>>>> fever, I don't see that happening any time soon.
> 
>>>> Tracy
> 
>>>> Dang it now I'm worried.  I really have no desire to go
>>>> anywhere.
>>>> I just fel too tired
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:51:55 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> 
>>>> No, I don't do that.  I should, but because I am currently not
>>>> going much of anywhere, I've gotten out of the habit.  I kind of
>>>> wish I did, and maybe I'll start.  That's probably one of the
>>>> reasons I won't get any dogs after this one.  I don't think he's
>>>> getting a fair shake.  I hope I don't change my mind.
> 
>>>> CL
> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> Cool thanks.  How often do you walk your dog? Do
>>>> you walk 3-5 miles every day?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:39 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> 
>>>> Ah, you'll be fine.  It is always exciting before you go for the
>>>> dog.  I think you are going to have a fine time of it.
> 
>>>> Cindy
> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> That's exciting! I'm still kind of worried, but I'll do it.
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:45:16 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> 
>>>> His name is Fisher.  Let's see.  I think they brought him to my
>>>> room.  We walked around the room a lot.  He sniffed me and we
>>>> cuddled.  At our school, they had us go out on their leisure
>>>> path
>>>> with the harness and an instructor attched to him, too, with the
>>>> leash.  Then later we took them out to relieve and have dinner.
>>>> He mostly tried to keep him close and see what toys he liked,
>>>> though I went slow with this.  Some dogs, when you first get
>>>> them, whine a lot because they hear familiar voices as others
>>>> are
>>>> being given dogs by the same instructor.  Some are restless the
>>>> first night or so when they are with you; I've never had a lot
>>>> of
>>>> trouble with that with any of the dogs.
> 
>>>> CL
> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> What's his name? What was it like when you first met him?
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:20:17 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> 
>>>> I think they can sense  your moods.  I think they definitely
>>>> know the difference between stressed and calm.  I have a lab and
>>>> golden cross.  He is six.
> 
>>>> CL
> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Sarah wrote:
> 
>>>> that's awesome! I am so excited to have a dog.  Can dogs sense
>>>> how you are feel, can they sense your moods? What kind of dog do
>>>> you have?
> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:22 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Downtime in class
> 
>>>> \Hi, Sarah, I am Cindy.  You know, it depends on the dog.  I am
>>>> a firm believer in spending a lot of time in the process of
>>>> bonding with my dog, especially the first few days.  If the
>>>> person who trained you is your trainer, they will look to that
>>>> person for a while, but you will start to see a switch over in a
>>>> few days.  When you take that dog home, I think the bonding
>>>> increases because now it has left all it knows behind except
>>>> you,
>>>> so it trusts you.  You will have work to do to become a solid
>>>> team, but your dog and you will have already begun a strong
>>>> bonding that will only get stronger.  I think the key is a lot
>>>> of
>>>> attention, especially at first and mostly from you, corrections
>>>> when you have to, and lots of praise when the dog does something
>>>> right and well.
> 
>>>> CL
> 
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