[nagdu] teaching the public

Star Gazer pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Tue Apr 9 20:28:06 UTC 2013


Thank you Ev. I thought maybe you'd canceled something fun to do this and
was hoping that wasn't the case. 
The guy was either being a little dense, or he just had an awkwardly
delivery. 
If he's akward, you can enlighten him. If he isn't, well, you can't fix
stupid, at least not legally. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 11:39 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] teaching the public

oH,Oh I see what you are saying. No, actually the presentation was scheduled
first. It was just that I had not heard from the organizer and was unabe to
get a hold of him either so I made alternative plans.
I CHOSE TO FOREGO THOSE PLANS IN FAVOR OF THE PRESENTATION AND DO NOT
CONSIDER IT CANCELING AS IT IS MY OWN PLANS BEING ALTERED> If I am nOt doing
one thing, I will do another. I do not neeeed to do anything. I also do not
need to sit around doing nothing, when I have an opportunity to do something
that might be beneficial to others though.
All, I was pointing out was how this benevolent sighted person was behaving
as he was doing me a great service as providing and activity for me to get
out of the house. It was as if he felt that all blind are shut-ins.  AS A
PAST SOCIAL WORKER AND TEACHER, AND LONG TIME 4H LEADER, I ALSO DO NOT NEED
PUBLIC SPEAKING EXPERIENCE.  SORRY ABOUT THE CRAPPY TYPING. MY COMPUTER IS
NOT COOPERATING WITH CAPS LOCK AND ALLOWANCES FOR CORRECTIONS. SOMETHING I
LIVE WITH. EVE On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Star Gazer
<pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ev,
> I thought you said you canceled something to talk to this group? If I 
> misread then I'm sorry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Eve Sanchez
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 8:43 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] teaching the public
>
> Umm, Star was that to me? What did I cancel? Or maybe I missed 
> something and you are talking to someone else, because I sure do not
understand your post.
> Eve
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> I sure didn't correct, because I feel the same way you do.
>> I want him to decide for himself what we need to do.
>> I just get frustrated when I am told the dog isn't good because he 
>> didn't do this or that.
>> I am more sensitive with this dog than my others.
>> I had to work hard getting him, where he is a slow thinker, where I 
>> respect this.
>> We get done what we need to do.
>> Original message:
>>
>>> Ben doesn't always follow well, and especially didn't when he was
> younger.
>>>  It's only a tiny part of his job; most of the time, we're on our 
>>> own and he has to use his initiative.  So naturally, when he could 
>>> follow someone, he's still thinking about what's the best way to go, 
>>> in his opinion.  I don't correct him for that.  I value his 
>>> thinking, and want to encourage his initiative. In the big picture, 
>>> it's a lot more useful to me than just following.  The people I'm 
>>> with don't always
> understand that, though.
>>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>>> yesterday was entertaining for me.
>>>> When we got to the buss door I put my hand on the door where he 
>>>> went on the wrong side of the door.
>>>> I shared with him it would be better to go up the steps.
>>>> People were laughing that he did this, saying he sure doesn't know
much.
>>>> My reply was,
>>>> he wanted to look at you threw the window.
>>>> When mass was over, we started walking behind my brother in law, 
>>>> then he decided that he wanted to go out a different door.
>>>> A gentleman came up to me saying, did you want to go out the side door?
>>>> I said sure yes thanks,
>>>> My brother in law shared with me that I didn't have a good dog 
>>>> because he didn't follow me.
>>>> he usually does so he didn't pay attention to seee what the dog was 
>>>> doing.
>>>> We both said, My dog has his own ideas.
>>>> Only he knows what they are.
>>>> When we go to mass during the week, we go threw the front door.
>>>> So I didn't feel it was necessary to correct, when he wanted to go 
>>>> out the front.
>>>> Gee why don't we say that to folks who have children, how bad they 
>>>> are because they don't behave in a crowd.
>>>> Now I don't believe this, where it is frustrating when I know I do 
>>>> have a swell dog.
>>>> Let me decide if my dog is good or bad, no one else needs to do 
>>>> this for me.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am actually trying to ignore people talking to my dog. It is so 
>>>>> annoying that they do it anyway, but mostly I don't know that it 
>>>>> distracts him that much; if I think it is distracting him, I give 
>>>>> him a verbal reprimand to make sure he is on task; then when we 
>>>>> have successfully completed our task, I praise him for it.
>>
>>
>>>>> CL
>>
>>
>>>>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 10:31 PM, d m gina wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> As I was getting off the buss the new driver was talking to the dog.
>>>>>> I don't know when I will see this driver again, I know he will 
>>>>>> drive the buss every third week of the month.
>>>>>> I thought then I could ask for him to let the dog concentrate 
>>>>>> getting me off the buss.
>>>>>> How do you folks handle this.
>>>>>> I don't want the dog excited while I am trying to find the first 
>>>>>> step to step down three steps to the driveway.
>>>>>> I call my dog buddy then folks won't know his name.
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I find that the adults are the ones who need to be taught. I 
>>>>>>> tell them that her harrness is like her work uniform and when 
>>>>>>> she has her uniform on she's working and needs to concentrate.  
>>>>>>> It usually works.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:00 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] teaching the public
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Julie, A lot of good advice for everyone. What I like and think 
>>>>>>>> I will take with me today, is the 'just ask' lesson. That is a 
>>>>>>>> very important lesson. When I was teaching, all of my 
>>>>>>>> kindergarteners knew that they should never approach a dog they 
>>>>>>>> did not know without asking first.
>>>>>>>> Now-a-days I am often approached by children asking and I 
>>>>>>>> explain to them why I do not allow her to be petted by others. 
>>>>>>>> They
> understand.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> also thank them for asking. The adults on the other hand just 
>>>>>>>> act and never think to ask. I think, giving a lesson like this 
>>>>>>>> when in a mixed group is an excellent idea as it will teach the 
>>>>>>>> adults without them thinking or realizing they are being taught.
>>>>>>>> Well, gotta get ready now. Thanks again for all of your great 
>>>>>>>> ideas. Eve
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Eve,
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> I just did presentations for the Boy Scouts.  They had a 
>>>>>>>>> disabilities awareness day, which I think could use some 
>>>>>>>>> improvement, but that's another post for another list.  Anyway 
>>>>>>>>> I had only 10 minutes with each small group of boys.  I first 
>>>>>>>>> explained that I'm blind, which means I need to use other ways 
>>>>>>>>> of doing things instead of looking at them.  This would seem 
>>>>>>>>> obvious, but I've learned that a lot of people don't really 
>>>>>>>>> get "blind".
>>>>>>>>> Then I
>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>> on to the two main ways blind people use to move about, cane 
>>>>>>>>> or
> dog.
>>>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>> them that both methods work just fine and that every blind 
>>>>>>>>> person has to figure out which they like or works best for 
>>>>>>>>> them.  I introduce Monty, who was laying beside me.  I explain 
>>>>>>>>> that when he is guiding me I hold onto the handle and walk a 
>>>>>>>>> step behind his shoulders.  I feel which way he is moving from 
>>>>>>>>> his shoulder movement, which travels through the harness 
>>>>>>>>> handle.
>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> is where I get a lot of odd questions.  I've found explaining 
>>>>>>>>> it like dancing gets my point across about the best.  I 
>>>>>>>>> explain that Monty will stop if there's something he wants me 
>>>>>>>>> to know about or if we can't go around, but that I make all 
>>>>>>>>> the choices of which way we are going.  People think you tell 
>>>>>>>>> the dog "post office" and magically the dog takes you there.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Over the years I have simplified my list of guide dog rules 
>>>>>>>>> down to just one, *ask*.  I think that one about covers it and 
>>>>>>>>> if they can remember just one thing I hope it is that one 
>>>>>>>>> thing.  I emphasize it a lot.  If they want to pet, ask.  If 
>>>>>>>>> they want to give food, ask, If they want to talk to the dog, 
>>>>>>>>> ask.  Otherwise they should completely ignore the dog.  I 
>>>>>>>>> think the just ask approach does a lot of things extremely simply.
>>>>>>>>> If the kids are asking, then they are learning to view the 
>>>>>>>>> blind person as the leader of the team.  They are learning 
>>>>>>>>> basic dog etiquette that will serve them well with any sort of 
>>>>>>>>> service dog team, police dog or even pets.  The just ask rule 
>>>>>>>>> is extremely universal and flexible for any situation.  It 
>>>>>>>>> allows each handler to manage the situation as he/she sees fit.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I let people pet, but usually not.  Either way I
>>>>>>>>> *always* smile and tell them "thank you for asking".
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Then I take questions.  I don't do demonstrations unless I 
>>>>>>>>> can't figure a way out of it gracefully.  I've only ever done 
>>>>>>>>> one.  Monty worked it perfectly, but because the group didn't 
>>>>>>>>> understand the finer points of how we work they all thought he 
>>>>>>>>> had made several mistakes.  I tried to explain the subtleties, 
>>>>>>>>> but there just isn't time in these sorts of presentations. I 
>>>>>>>>> left feeling very frustrated.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> I have also done presentations at schools, visually impaired 
>>>>>>>>> peer support groups, the senior center and of course it comes 
>>>>>>>>> up from time to time when I'm doing presentations for work.  A 
>>>>>>>>> couple of years ago I was presenting to a group of business 
>>>>>>>>> leaders about the county programs I administer and I think 
>>>>>>>>> there were just as many questions about the dog as juvenile 
>>>>>>>>> crime.
>>>>>>>>> *smile*
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> If you enjoy these presentations and are looking for places to 
>>>>>>>>> contact to offer your time maybe look at church groups, 
>>>>>>>>> Chamber of Commerce member events, Health Department, schools, 
>>>>>>>>> colleges especially the special ed or diversity studies, Boy 
>>>>>>>>> Scouts, Girl Scouts, leadership groups, 4-H, children's museums,
etc.
>>>>>>>>> Something I have noticed through my county job is that more 
>>>>>>>>> and more anytime there is state or federal grant funding, 
>>>>>>>>> there is usually some component of diversity or disability or
something.
>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> trainings held to "educate" the people applying for and 
>>>>>>>>> manageing these grants about these topics.  Although I had 
>>>>>>>>> never attended a "diversity"
>>>>>>>>> training presented by a "diverse" person...except once.  I 
>>>>>>>>> don't know of any easy way to find these opportunities though.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH I hope you have fun and that the people learn a lot!
>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] teaching the public
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow there is a canine fashion show being put on as a fund 
>>>>>>>>> raising event for a new K--9 for the Yavapaih County Marshalls.
>>>>>>>>> There are many silly things going on to get the community 
>>>>>>>>> happy. There also some educational things going on to 
>>>>>>>>> enlighten the community. First on the agenda is a presentation 
>>>>>>>>> by yours truly on guide dogs. I did a presentation with my dog 
>>>>>>>>> just last week during a dinner and know that there is an 
>>>>>>>>> upcoming presentation on the schedule with a local church 
>>>>>>>>> group. In other words, I am busy becoming an ambassador and 
>>>>>>>>> educater about guide dogs and guide dog users. I am sure that 
>>>>>>>>> many of you have done these types of things also and would 
>>>>>>>>> love to hear about your experiences. It is not that I am some 
>>>>>>>>> great speaker or anything. I just get asked. Also, in my 
>>>>>>>>> community, there are a total of three guide dogs. WE JUST DONT 
>>>>>>>>> HAVE THE NUMBERS I would really like to hear about what you 
>>>>>>>>> all do with your dogs, not to compare, but to get more ideas 
>>>>>>>>> of how we could all get involved and what others do that might 
>>>>>>>>> be good ideas to borrow on. Thanks, Eve
>>
>>
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