[nagdu] no follow up

Fri Apr 19 16:08:24 UTC 2013

I still would work with the dog on behalf of coming.
when the dog doesn't come, then put it on leash work with the obedience 
trying it again.
Each time the dog comes, then give it a treat.
I myself don't feel comfortable leaving my dog outside alone.
Where I have friends who do this, and their dogs do just fine.
Except there is a hole in the yard the dogs love to help along.
Deep is the game smile.
If she doesn't want tips, then it is her problem, you just have to take 
good care of your dog.
Do what is best for you and the dog.
Each person does it differently.
Original message:
> Oh, I didn't realize that off leash play was considered bad by some.
> What I question is her leaving her dog in the yard like a pet while
> she is inside doing whatever. I think (and may be wrong) that the dog
> spends a lot of time on her own out there. I like the ideas of
> instigating more obedience and maybe changing it up a little. I think
> that she only gives verbal praise and maybe she needs a different
> method with this particular dog. She is a lab, which means she likes
> food, so maybe the treat reward would be more effective. Oh gosh, you
> are not saying that I should call the school are you? I know it is
> horrible for a good dog to be waisted, but ...  I also do not want to
> say that she is doing things all wrong, but... I love all you
> suggestions and do not know if I could get her to follow through with
> any of them, but at least, maybe, our conversation will help others
> learn. Thanks guys, Eve

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> I see the issue as the lady doesn't want any help.  There's lots that she
>> could do, fix the yard so the dog can't get out, use a long leash, train a
>> new recall from scratch and probably some others.  the thing is though that
>> she doesn't want to change what she's doing.  I'm not sure why that is, but
>> if you could figure that part out I think things would come together for
>> her.

>> In regard to your second question about off leash play, yes I do allow this.
>> I'm in the minority though.  I have a fenced back yard where both of my dogs
>> can run around and do whatever they like.  I also allow Monty to run off
>> leash in unfenced areas.  He has the best off leash manners and recall of
>> any dog I've ever had.  In the yard at home we play Frisbee not quite daily,
>> but whenever the weather is halfway decent.  In the summer I take him out to
>> our farm pond where he can really get in a good run.  I finally got a
>> whistle and trained him to come to the whistle, which helps a lot over
>> distances or background noise.

>> I know off leash play is frowned upon by most of the programs in the U.S.
>> It's interesting to me that in Europe they are encouraged to let their dogs
>> off leash to run.  I see how much of a difference it makes for Monty's
>> mental health.  I feel like for him there is much more benefit than risk.

>> Now my other dog is an entirely different story.  She goes in the fenced
>> backyard, but is absolutely not allowed anywhere without a stout leash and
>> an adult on the other end.  Given half an opportunity she will run off.  For
>> an old girl she can run pretty fast! I've had her for around 9 years now.  I
>> have done obedience, on leash recall, used treats, made the recall into a
>> game and every other manner of training I could think of.  She no longer
>> tries to bolt out the front door every time someone comes or goes, but her
>> recall is still really, really bad.  I honestly believe that in order to get
>> a really awesome recall you have to teach it from very early puppyhood.  If
>> they don't get it from the very beginning, it's going to be a steep uphill
>> struggle.

>> Julie


>> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:10 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users

>> Subject: [nagdu] no follow up

>> Hi all, My subject line probably does not make sense, but I thought it
>> might catch attention of those on that thread as well as others. I
>> think the follow up for someone who wishes it is  great and should be
>> available. I have a friend though that needs some follow up and is
>> refusing to get it. I am hoping that some of you might have some good
>> suggestions for her. She has had her dog for 4 or 5 months now and
>> says she is very happy with how she works, on harness and on leash,
>> she is perfect. MY FRIEND IS HAVING AN ISSUE GETTING HER DOG TO COME
>> TO HER AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY SHE WILL NOT CALL  HER SCHOOL>  She says
>> that it the house she is fine, but she puts her in the back yard a lot
>> (something i would not do and am curious as to whether others do).
>> While in the yard, the dog finds her way and runs the street. She
>> calls her and her dog refuses to come to her. I suggested as a first
>> step to put back on the leash as if newly home. I figured this might
>> help with the bonding that might be lacking. Short of her getting help
>> from one of the school trainers, which is available to her, do you all
>> have any suggestions for her? Thanks, Eve

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