[nagdu] no follow up

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Fri Apr 19 23:28:02 UTC 2013


I hope I didn't imply that I would ever leave a guide outside. I have three dogs; they all live in the house. But dogs who do live outside are not as mannerly when they are indoors because they don't even have the indoor manners. If your guide was outside, it would exhibit less refinement, wouldn't it? Refinement is for lack of another word. Then, too, the poisoning factor is a real possibility, getting tangled, and a variety of things. 

Cindy

On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:57 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:

> I feel concerned that someone would leave the guide dog chained up in the
> backyard.  My dogs belong in the house with me.  Occasional running about in
> a yard is okay but my dogs, including pets, have been house dogs.
> 
> Margo and Arrow
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 5:56 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no follow up
> 
> Also, I feel that part of the continued bonding would be that the dog should
> be in the house with me. Of course I have always wanted my dogs in the
> house, even the pets. Some people have strong feelings regarding dogs being
> outdoor pets, particularly larger ones. I would feel the need to have my
> guide in the house with me though in particular. I guess if I am taking my
> dog other places with me and it will be indoors, then it should be living
> like that all of the time so it will indoor appropriate.
> 
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:49 PM, "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> I just talked to someone the other day who had her dog killed while
> chained up in her back yard.  Someone gave her some food with something in
> it that killed her.  I would not leave my dog out side without being there
> too. There are too many crazy people out there and you just never know who
> is around.  These dogs are far to valuable to use in terms of emotional
> value as well as financial value to let something like that happen to them.
>> 
>> Julie Phillipson
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" 
>> <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] no follow up
>> 
>> 
>>> Oh, I didn't realize that off leash play was considered bad by some.
>>> What I question is her leaving her dog in the yard like a pet while 
>>> she is inside doing whatever. I think (and may be wrong) that the dog 
>>> spends a lot of time on her own out there. I like the ideas of 
>>> instigating more obedience and maybe changing it up a little. I think 
>>> that she only gives verbal praise and maybe she needs a different 
>>> method with this particular dog. She is a lab, which means she likes 
>>> food, so maybe the treat reward would be more effective. Oh gosh, you 
>>> are not saying that I should call the school are you? I know it is 
>>> horrible for a good dog to be waisted, but ...  I also do not want to 
>>> say that she is doing things all wrong, but... I love all you 
>>> suggestions and do not know if I could get her to follow through with 
>>> any of them, but at least, maybe, our conversation will help others 
>>> learn. Thanks guys, Eve
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> I see the issue as the lady doesn't want any help.  There's lots 
>>>> that she could do, fix the yard so the dog can't get out, use a long 
>>>> leash, train a new recall from scratch and probably some others.  
>>>> the thing is though that she doesn't want to change what she's 
>>>> doing.  I'm not sure why that is, but if you could figure that part 
>>>> out I think things would come together for her.
>>>> 
>>>> In regard to your second question about off leash play, yes I do allow
> this.
>>>> I'm in the minority though.  I have a fenced back yard where both of 
>>>> my dogs can run around and do whatever they like.  I also allow 
>>>> Monty to run off leash in unfenced areas.  He has the best off leash 
>>>> manners and recall of any dog I've ever had.  In the yard at home we 
>>>> play Frisbee not quite daily, but whenever the weather is halfway 
>>>> decent.  In the summer I take him out to our farm pond where he can 
>>>> really get in a good run.  I finally got a whistle and trained him 
>>>> to come to the whistle, which helps a lot over distances or background
> noise.
>>>> 
>>>> I know off leash play is frowned upon by most of the programs in the
> U.S.
>>>> It's interesting to me that in Europe they are encouraged to let 
>>>> their dogs off leash to run.  I see how much of a difference it 
>>>> makes for Monty's mental health.  I feel like for him there is much more
> benefit than risk.
>>>> 
>>>> Now my other dog is an entirely different story.  She goes in the 
>>>> fenced backyard, but is absolutely not allowed anywhere without a 
>>>> stout leash and an adult on the other end.  Given half an 
>>>> opportunity she will run off. For an old girl she can run pretty 
>>>> fast! I've had her for around 9 years now. I have done obedience, on 
>>>> leash recall, used treats, made the recall into a game and every 
>>>> other manner of training I could think of.  She no longer tries to 
>>>> bolt out the front door every time someone comes or goes, but her 
>>>> recall is still really, really bad.  I honestly believe that in 
>>>> order to get a really awesome recall you have to teach it from very 
>>>> early puppyhood. If they don't get it from the very beginning, it's
> going to be a steep uphill struggle.
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sanchez
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:10 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] no follow up
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, My subject line probably does not make sense, but I thought 
>>>> it might catch attention of those on that thread as well as others. 
>>>> I think the follow up for someone who wishes it is  great and should 
>>>> be available. I have a friend though that needs some follow up and 
>>>> is refusing to get it. I am hoping that some of you might have some 
>>>> good suggestions for her. She has had her dog for 4 or 5 months now 
>>>> and says she is very happy with how she works, on harness and on 
>>>> leash, she is perfect. MY FRIEND IS HAVING AN ISSUE GETTING HER DOG 
>>>> TO COME TO HER AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY SHE WILL NOT CALL  HER SCHOOL>  
>>>> She says that it the house she is fine, but she puts her in the back 
>>>> yard a lot (something i would not do and am curious as to whether others
> do).
>>>> While in the yard, the dog finds her way and runs the street. She 
>>>> calls her and her dog refuses to come to her. I suggested as a first 
>>>> step to put back on the leash as if newly home. I figured this might 
>>>> help with the bonding that might be lacking. Short of her getting 
>>>> help from one of the school trainers, which is available to her, do 
>>>> you all have any suggestions for her? Thanks, Eve
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