[nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
Michael Hingson
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Mon Apr 22 03:16:55 UTC 2013
I agree with Tina. Ken, you will find that people on this list have varied
and definite opinions about lots of things. Do not take offense at what is
said on the list. Just remember that you will get lots of ideas, comments,
and opinions.
Mike Hingson
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 07:05 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
Hi Ken- You did not say anything inappropriate. It's okay to express your
opinions and ask questions just like everyone else on this list. Also, I
did not take your message to mean that those who disagree with your views
are living and or creating a hostile environment.
Tina and the girls
NAGDU Board Member
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 4:33 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
Star,
God, if I said anything that was inappropriate or condescending then I
sincerely apologize. I just have a different opinion and would like there to
be a way to keep Guide Dog Users separate from those who would infringe on
it. In no way was I trying to infringe on your right to purchase whatever
you want from whoever you want. I was just saying that it would be nice,
like having to show a driver's license before getting behind a wheel. But if
that is not something you support, so be it, that's your opinion and I
respect it.
Thanks,
Ken & ACE
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:24 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
I agree with Margo, buddy, and Julie. Ken why does your view appeal to you?
Why would you not want to buy the tools you deem most appropriate? Why do
you think a third party should control that? And why do you regard those of
us who disagree with you live in a more hostile world then you do?
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:00 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
wrote:
> Ken, nope. Can't go along with your fantasy world. People train
> their own dogs; lots of places sell canes. You can even get free canes
> from the NFB and you can get canes from many places like folding,
> straight, telescoping, carbon fiber, fiberglas, etc.
>
> I don't want to be registered, certified, I don't want people
> controlling me and telling me where I can get my harness, where I can get
my cane.
>
> Margo and Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
> Brannan
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:23 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>
> Sorry Ken, I for one can't get behind your fantasy world. For one,
> where would owner trainers get a harness? For another, would it be
> better, do you suppose, for someone to not be able to travel
> independently during the time that they go through all the red tape to
> prove blindness, get authorization, lose the paperwork, misfile the
> records, sign in triplicate, misfile the form, refill the form, etc.
> etc., before one can get a cane? Or do you reckon we should all be put
> on some blind registry? (I can't tell you how awful that idea sounds.)
> Nah, I think I like it the way it is, with all its pitfalls.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> Julie,
>> That sucks. I liked my fantasy view of things much better where you
>> only got your harness from the school you graduated from and you only
>> got a white cane if you were legally blind and went through an
>> accredited
> course.
>> Doesn't that sound like something we all should be pushing for? Or am
>> I living in a fantasy world of my own?
>> Ken & Ace
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:37 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>>
>> You can buy both white canes and guide harnesses without any
>> training, certification or endorsement of any kind. It is perfectly
>> legal to possess white canes and guide harnesses, even if you aren't
>> blind. It is fraud to put a guide harness on a pet of a non disabled
>> person and claim that dog is a guide dog so you can go into stores and
the like.
>>
>> HTH
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Ace
>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:04 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>>
>> I am obviously misinformed because I am sure we were told by my
>> school that "Harnesses are always the property of the school and
>> where you get replacements". They likened it to white canes, you just
>> can't go out and buy a white cane if you haven't gone through the
training.
>> Does anyone have any input?
>> Ken & Ace
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christel
>> Sogenbits
>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:55 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> It is very interesting question for me allso beacuse we have only one
>> kind of harnesses here. Allso I would be really happy and thankful
>> if somebody wants to write me offlist and describe their harnesses
>> or send
> pictures.
>> I can do picture of my guides harnesses and write there what part
>> of it is made of metal and what part is made from leather if somebody
>> is
> interested.
>> Allso I can send you pictures do show how they are on my dog.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tervitades / With greetings
>> Christel Sogenbits
>> GSM: +372 58 440 521
>> E-mail: christel.chrissu at gmail.com
>> Skype: christel.chrissu
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon L.
>> Dillon
>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] where to buy guide dog harnesses
>>
>> Hi, does anyone know where to get guide dog harnesses (other than the
>> ones we can get from our schools)? I got my previous harness from Paw
>> Power Creations but their web site doesn't seem to be functioning
>> anymore. I'm looking for another lightweight, flexible, nonleather
>> harness to use on the beach this summer, and I would have gotten it
>> from Paw Power Creations if they were up and running. I love my old
>> one but I had it made without stabilizer loops and I wanted to have
>> one
> made with the stabilizer loops.
>> Does anyone know of alternatives?
>> Thanks.
>> -Shannon and Yalie
>>
>>
>>> From: graduate56 at juno.com
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:57:23 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] my surgery
>>>
>>> thats a really good description of the exhibit hall.
>>> I remember when I took my girl to convention for the first time. We
>>> got through the crowd in the exhibit hall and to tables. She found
>>> the Gdf table right away. she was so happy with herself for it. She
>>> knows her school.
>>> Lol!
>>>
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Melissa and Pj
>>> Find me on:
>>> Twitter melissa5674
>>> facebook Melissa R Green
>>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] my surgery
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>
>>> So glad the surgery went well. Please give us a call at GDF and Barb
>>> can talk to you about recovery and getting back to work with Felix.
>>>
>>> As for the national convention, what's really nice about the exhibit
>>> hall is that there is a great description printed ahead of time and
>>> possibly even a tactile map you can look at prior to going in so you
>>> know where you are going.
>>>
>>> I use the "Find the counter" command a lot to have Swap take me to
>>> the edges of tables when he can. Sometimes, and not to be crude
>>> here, you just encounter a wall of butts. That's why when reaching
>>> out to see what's in front of me, I use the back of my hand
>>> initially to see how close we are to people. <grin>
>>>
>>> Enjoy.
>>>
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>> http://www.twitter.com/jeninems
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>> Wurtzel
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:18 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: [nagdu] my surgery
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I wanted to share about my recent surgery and how it went fore Felix
>>> and
>> me.
>>> First, for some reason, the hospital said I could bring my dog but
>>> had to find my own way to take him out. I didn't have family who
>>> could be there whenever Felix needed to go out. I decided to board
>>> him at the vet for the three days I was in the hospital. That went fine.
>>> The rehabilitation facility allowed me to bring my dog. They were
>>> willing to have staff to take him out. I could not walk for two
>>> weeks after surgery.
>>> I am very grateful to all of the nursing care aids who took Felix
>>> out for me.
>>> Felix was on a tie-down on one side of my bed. I was fortunate to
>>> have a private room.
>>> Friends of mine who also have guide dogs came and groomed and
>>> exercised Felix for me.
>>> I took him on leash with me to the dining room in a wheelchair.
>>> Because I did not use the harness, I let people pet him. The other
>>> clients and the staff really enjoyed having a dog to pet. Some of
>>> the people were seniors who had ffallen or had replacement type
surgeries.
>>> They love to remember dogs that they had during their lives.
>>> It was kind of neat because Felix seemed to know I was in pain. He
>>> would come right up to the side of the bed and stand close so I
>>> could pet
>> him.
>>> After two and a half weeks I could come home. I have a boot on my
>>> foot and still cannot work Felix. I worry about this. I now have
>>> about a week and a half before I can walk again.
>>> I have let Felix out in the fenced in yard to play with our pet dog.
>>> My husband took Felix for a walk, but he dragged back and wouldn't go.
>>> All I can think is that maybe he didn't want to leave me.
>>> This surgery is hopefully going to make it possible for me to have
>>> better balance when I walk. I am excited to see how successful it
>>> will be. I am just praying that my pup will still remember how to be
>>> a guide
>> dog.
>>> I am so blessed to have such wonderful friends and a great family.
>>> This will be my first national convention to have a guide dog. I
>>> think the thing I dread the most is going to the exhibit hall with a
>>> dog
> guide.
>>> I AM SO ENJOYING THIS LIST AND HOPE TO MEET SOME OF OUR FOLKS IN
Orlando.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>> Carcione
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:29 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] coming on command - was no follow up
>>>
>>> My first dog Glade thought running away and not coming were a great
>>> game. A
>>>
>>> couple times, she accidently got loose, and I had a heck of a time
>>> catching her again. She would always come when she saw her harness,
>>> though, so I'd try to get close enough to her to show it to her, and
>>> the game would be over.
>>>
>>> I quote the Irish Rovers, sort of:
>>> Those labradors were hiding, playing silly games.
>>>
>>> From the Unicorn song, explaining why there aren't any more around.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Daniel" <daniel.sweeney1 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 3:07 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] coming on command - was no follow up
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Eve and everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was having the same problems with having Cass coming to me when I
>>>> called, and to some extent still do. Although I never allow her to
>>>> be off leash in the common area behind my townhome, I will go out
>>>> on a 25 foot leash and practice recall with food treats. This is
>>>> what my field rep advised me when she visited me on my second month
>>>> home after complaining about this problem.
>>>> I explained to her that I was having problems with recall both in
>>>> and out of the house. After returning home and keeping Cass on
>>>> leash for about 5 weeks, I let her off and when I called her she
>>>> would not come to me. We would do obedience training, sit, down,
>>>> stay, and come at short distances and she would do just fine, but
>>>> when we were at ease she would not come to me when
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> called. Talk about frustrating - to be upstairs and call and have
>>>> no dog come, or to be ten feet away and call her to come to me and
>>>> she would just ignore me. Things really came to a head when I went
>>>> to a friend's house and she was playing in the yard with his dogs.
>>>> He called his dogs to come in and Cass refused to come inside. He
>>>> went to the back door and she would run from my friend. I went to
>>>> the door and she would ignore my command to come inside. I finally
>>>> was able to get her to come inside by filling her food bowl, and
>>>> then snagging her with the leash. That was the last time she was
>>>> off leash until the field rep came. We started working with high
>>>> value food rewards. This has seemed to work for the most part, but
>>>> there are still some occasional instances where she will stay just
>>>> out of my reach when I call her, and not come to me as if I am
>>>> playing a game. Needless to say this really ticks me off since I
>>>> have never had a dog that has done this. I have had quite a few
>>>> dogs. She has a HUGE stubborn streak. I would never let her be off
>>>> leash outside unless the area was securely enclosed, and then only
>>>> with hesitation. I am just glad she is food motivated. The fact
>>>> that we have only been together for a bit over 4 months lets me
>>>> think that in time she will become a little more attached and this
>>>> problem will solve itself.
>>>>
>>>> I apologize for the long winded emails, but when I get going, I
>>>> really get going.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel and Cass
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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