[nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play

Darla Rogers djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 4 12:53:39 UTC 2013


Ken,

	It is the law; you can bring him **to** the pool, but you do not
need him to swim; it isn't good for his coat, I don't care what some vets
do, and "should's" don't make it the law.
Darla & Huck


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:22 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play

In my opinion a guide dog is like my right arm. Just because I am not using
it at any moment doesn't make it less of an appendage. If I choose to play
with it rather than do work with it, again it is still my right arm. A guide
dog and a guide should be considered the same part of a well oiled machine.
I don't see why so many users want to separate the two.
K&A
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 1:30 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play

I see Niccole's point, and I want to take it a bit further.

Let's think about one of the questions that they can ask us when we're out
with our dogs.  "What service is the dog performing?"

If you are waiting to sled down a hil, and your dog is at the bottom with a
friend, then what service is the dog performing?  Is it enough to say that
the dog came with you to hehlp guide you to the area?  I would think so, but
I could see an argument coming.

It's like those people who think our dogs can be bothered because we are
sitting quietly waiting for an appointment or meeting to begin, and the dog
is taking a nap--that mentality that if the dog doesn't look like it's
working, it must not be.  Of course, I think there is a fine line between
the dog waiting with you at an appointment and playing in a pool or in the
snow.  I don't know what it means legally though.

My dog hates water, so I don't have to worry about it, but I still wouldn't
allow her to play in a pool.  Dogs' skin can dry out a lot more quickly than
humans.  Then there is the risk of the dog swallowing water, which I have
seen first hand is not pretty.  They can get very sick.  And then you think
about the other people that might be in the condo pool.  I don't know if
it's such a good idea.

The snow thing seems a bit more harmless.  I see Larry's point though.
 I don't think I would risk it, especially if there are lots of sleds going
by and other dogs aren't aloud.  I would imagine that if the managers of the
hills can show that the dog is causing a disturbance, they can ask you to
remove the dog.

Just my thoughts.

On 8/3/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> I would Nicole that the question would be more like, does the fun 
> place want
>
> to be liable for any injury caused to your dog whil participating in 
> that activity? In your example, if you went sledding and your dog 
> panicked and jumped out of the sled and hert itself or caused an 
> accident with another sled who would be responsible? If the dog jumped 
> off your sled and got hit by the one behind you for instance, are you 
> responsible for not being able to control the dog, is the sledder 
> behind you responsible because they hit the dog or is the place where 
> you are sledding responsible for renting you and letting you and the 
> dog goof around there? Interesting though! Also, some of the things we 
> consider fun, the dogs might not like! Imagine a dog going to Cedar 
> Point and riding the coasters! Especially those that go upside down! 
> Not
good!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play
>
>
>> Dear Nicole,
>>
>> I wouldn't do it because of the inherent danger, but you are asking a 
>> legal question here, and I know Marion will have--or can get--the 
>> answer for us.
>> Darla & hardworking Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
>> Torcolini
>> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:21 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Access and Work Vs. Play
>>
>>    Some of the recent messages have made an interesting question come 
>> into my mind. There are places that we as humans go to have where 
>> dogs sometimes are not allowed. These places also can potentially be 
>> a play opportunity for dogs; however, dogs are often not allowed. So, 
>> my question is, if service dogs are allowed to accompany their 
>> handlers for assisting them, are the dogs also allowed to do the fun 
>> things that pet dogs are not allowed to do?
>> I know that this is a slightly confusing question, so here is an example.
>>
>>    There are sledding areas on mountains that you can go to to sled. 
>> Some of them do not allow dogs--I know from experience. Lets say that 
>> there is
>>
>> a
>> person who has a guide dog who lives with his/her family. The family 
>> is taking a day trip to one of these sledding areas, and, as 
>> expected, the guide dog comes along too. Once at the sledding area, 
>> the person, for whatever reason, chooses to have a sighted family 
>> member help him/her get
>>
>> to
>> the top of the sledding area. Should the guide dog be allowed to play 
>> in the snow at the sledding area if the dog is not doing it as a way 
>> of helping his/her handler?
>>
>> Nicole and Lexia
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--
Julie McG
National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National Federation
of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of
Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For
God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
John 3:16

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