[nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Sun Aug 4 22:45:28 UTC 2013

Chlorine is hurts our eyes what do you think it would to dogs eyes, I would
not let my guide dog into the plowater that has chlorine, but I would not
have any problem having my guide dog stay under beach cheair while I have
fun.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
Association of Guide Dog Users
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:25 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Ken,
	One thing I failed to mention in my previous message is that
hospital patients should be allowed to be accompanied by their service
animals while hospitalized, provided they can be responsible for every
aspect of their care during their stay or have someone who is willing to do
this that is not a staff person. Entities are not required to provide care
or feeding of a service  animal. 
	As for asking a veterinarian about whether or not a service animal
should be allowed in a pool is like asking a Medical doctor advice about
filing a lawsuit. Though the vet may have the answer about whether or not
pool chemicals are harmful to the dog, they have no clue about the legal
rights and responsibilities of service animal handlers.
	As for me, I am of the opinion that a guide dog should not be
allowed in the pool. I would not even breach this subject with my
association,if I were governed by one. I believe it would be in very poor
taste to ask the association to modify this rule because my dog is a guide
dog. Within our rights as service animal users, we also have the
responsibility to not press the envelope by asking for unnecessary
preferential treatment.

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 12:12 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Dear Darla, lets just agree to disagree because the only place my dog can't
be with me in the hospital is in the Operating Room. I had eight surgeries
last year and can testify to the fact he stayed in my room with me the
entire time. I can't imagine chlorine being safe for humans and detrimental
to dogs unless too much exposure dried out there skin. As for my vet, I
would rather take their advice until I find out that otherwise as I am sure
they know more than I do about the subject.
Thanks again for the input.
Ken & Ace

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:31 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Dear Ken,

	Then, I suggest you read access laws as regards guide dogs more
carefully; service dogs do different kinds of tasks, and vets aren't always
the sharpest knives in the drawer either when it comes to what they let
their dogs do--it's like saying doctors know smoking is bad and don't do
it--and this isn't true.
	Of course, your dog deserves playtime but not in your condo's pool;
I am quite sure our HOA would not allow me to let my dog **in** the pool,
but I could have him help me get to the pool area and put him in a safe, and
cooler place.
	Guide dogs have never had the access rights we have, and this
applies to hospitals, too, though there may be a shade difference, as you
can't use your dog, generally, while hospitalized, but I know someone who is
being allowed to keep her dog with her in a psychiatric facility.
Darla & hardworking Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:03 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

I question your " access laws are for people" as I mentioned he is allowed
to stay in my hospital room with me and every place I go like on the beach
where dogs are restricted. My purpose of this  inquiry is to get
clarification on ADA and not personal opinions. Most people I know with
pools and Labs have them in their pools all the time and that includes my
vet and what is wrong with "Play Time"?
Thanks,
Ken & Ace 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:57 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Dear Ken,

	Access laws apply to peo9ple not dogs; you can take him there, but I
suspect that if they don't want the dog in the pool, especially if residents
claim allergies, you won't have much to  go on; besides, why would you put
your dog in highly chlorinated water?
Curiously, Darla

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 4:27 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Thanks for the reply. Ace gets shaved once a month, groomed once a week and
brushed in between so I am not too concerned about the filter and I would
think ADA would trump any local ordinances but I just can't find a ADA
ruling  on the subject.
Thanks again,
Ken & Ace

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:06 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

Hi Ken,

	So long as it is cool enough, I don't know why you shouldn't take
him so long as people don't bother him or he bother anyone else.
	If you're asking about actually allowing him to swim with you, I'm
not sure there is a law that applies, but it will tend to clog up the pool
filter  and thus not make the HOA very happy. <grin> Darla & Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 3:43 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nagdu] Guide Dogs in Condo swimming pools.

I recently attended a continuing education class to maintain my LCAM
license. During the class the question came up about Guide Dogs in condo
settings and access to swimming pools.

The answer was that in most cases Guide Dogs should be thought of as being
invisible as they were allowed anywhere their owner was.

I know that my Guide Dog has stayed in my hospital room with me on several
occasions and is allowed anywhere but the OR.

I would love to swim in our condo pool but only with my dog as I don't feel
comfortable without him.

Do you have any information in this regard? I have tried to Google it for an
answer, and it may be my limited computer skills but I can't find an answer.

Do have any info on this?

Ken & Ace

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