[nagdu] introduction to the list
Ashley Alvey
ashleyalvey1994 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 14 12:27:17 UTC 2013
Nice to meet you all as well. Thank you all for the warm welcome.
Ashley
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> 1. Re: Liars use phony vests and ID tags to get fake service
> dogsinto posh New York restaurants (Tracy Carcione)
> 2. Introduction to the list (Ashley Alvey)
> 3. Re: Introduction to the list (Margo Downey and Arrow)
> 4. My appology (Ken Ace)
> 5. Re: Introduction to the list (RJ Sandefur)
> 6. Re: how to choose toothbrush/toothpaste for dog brushing
> (Tracy Carcione)
> 7. Re: Introduction to the list (rhonda cruz)
> 8. Re: Introduction to the list (Sheila Leigland)
> 9. Re: Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
> (Buddy Brannan)
> 10. Re: Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
> (Cindy Ray)
> 11. New York taxis (Tracy Carcione)
> 12. Re: Northern American Guide Dog Schools Accepting
> ForeignApplicants? (Laurel and Stockard)
> 13. Re: Northern American Guide Dog Schools
> AcceptingForeignApplicants? (RJ Sandefur)
> 14. Re: Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
> (Buddy Brannan)
> 15. Trainers/Dog Whispers & All (Ken Ace)
> 16. Re: Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
> (Cindy Ray)
> 17. Re: Trainers/Dog Whispers & All (Cindy Ray)
> 18. Re: Trainers/Dog Whispers & All (Ken Ace)
> 19. Re: Trainers/Dog Whispers & All (Cindy Ray)
> 20. Re: how much is too much? (L Gwizdak)
> 21. Re: Trainers/Dog Whispers & All (Ken Ace)
> 22. Re: We Are Catching Up! (Tina Thomas)
> 23. Re: Trainers/Dog Whispers & All (Cindy Ray)
> 24. Re: Trainers/Dog Whispers & All (Ken Ace)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:20:54 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Liars use phony vests and ID tags to get fake
> service dogsinto posh New York restaurants
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> This is the sort of drivel I'd expect from Murdoch's New York Post rag.
> What he and his ilk want is for the ADA to go away, and disabled people to
> go back in the back room where we belong and they don't have to deal with
> us. Not gonna happen!
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 3:10 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Liars use phony vests and ID tags to get fake service
> dogsinto posh New York restaurants
>
>
>> Liars use phony vests and ID tags to get fake service dogs into posh New
>> York restaurants
>>
>> By TARA PALMERI
>>
>> August 12, 2013
>>
>> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/they_re_licked_H9js6NfMXjSAbkkCYu97NI
>>
>>
>>
>> The city's craziest, most badly behaved sons of bitches can run wild in
>> the
>> most elegant eateries in town - as long as they're masquerading as service
>> dogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> I borrowed my mom's wacky golden retriever/poodle mix "Hampton'' for a day
>> to check out The Post's recent report that dog lovers are decking out
>> their
>> pooches with phony vests and fake ID tags to get them into fancy
>> restaurants
>> and shops.
>>
>>
>>
>> The first stop for our party of five - Hampton and four human pals willing
>> to lie for him - was Orsay on Lexington Avenue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hampton - showing off his phony "service dog'' patch we had specially
>> embroidered - happily slobbered as he wolfed down an 8-ounce salmon filet.
>>
>> The 3-foot-tall, 70-pound pooch showed his appreciation of the cuisine by
>> pawing nearby tables and jumping on their occupants - as a manager
>> nervously
>> looked on.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Does he have papers?" a grossed-out patron asked while Hampton strutted
>> through the dining room, sniffing around for scraps.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the maitre d' couldn't ask, because the Americans with Disabilities
>> Act
>> prohibits businesses from demanding a canine's credentials. It also
>> doesn't
>> allow managers to ask its human companions about their "disability.''
>>
>>
>>
>> We then took our act to a bakery, a grocery store and a Starbucks on
>> Lexington. where Hampton blocked entrances and jumped on customers - but
>> he
>> was still welcomed in.
>>
>>
>>
>> We also learned a lot depends on the dog's personality.
>>
>>
>>
>> A colleague and her phony "service dog,'' Cyo, got a warm welcome at Le
>> Cirque, where waiters even brought a bowl with water and ice cubes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cyo just sat quietly under the table wagging his tail. He was also
>> welcomed
>> at Calvin Klein's and Barneys, where he charmed everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> No one batted an eye as Cyo checked out the shops' offerings.
>>
>>
>>
>> But at the Juice Press on Third Avenue, a clerk at first said that dogs
>> were
>> not welcome. But she quickly backed off when Cyo was identified as a
>> service
>> dog.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mayor Bloomberg's girlfriend, Diana Taylor, criticized owners who falsely
>> claim they're with a service or therapy dog as she unveiled a dog run in
>> Tribeca last week.
>>
>>
>>
>> "It's going to ruin it for people that actually need service dogs,'' she
>> said.
>>
>>
>>
>> "It's unfair for people to take advantage of a system put in place to
>> really
>> help those who need it.''
>>
>>
>>
>> Additional reporting by Amber Sutherland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:22:38 -0400
> From: Ashley Alvey <ashleyalvey1994 at gmail.com>
> To: "nagdu at nfbnet.org" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction to the list
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> Hi all,
> My name is Ashley and I am from Kentucky. At this time I do not have a guide dog. I had one last year for six months but it just wasn't the right time. I'm going to reapply for one in November and hopefully have one by next summer.
> I just wanted to introduce myself. Hope all of you are well,
> Ashley
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:20:27 -0400
> From: "Margo Downey and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction to the list
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> Ashley, welcome to the nagdu list and jump in any time. Good luck with your
> re-applying for a guide dog and we're here if you have questions.
>
> Margoa nd Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Alvey
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:23 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction to the list
>
> Hi all,
> My name is Ashley and I am from Kentucky. At this time I do not have a guide
> dog. I had one last year for six months but it just wasn't the right time.
> I'm going to reapply for one in November and hopefully have one by next
> summer.
> I just wanted to introduce myself. Hope all of you are well, Ashley
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:14:30 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] My appology
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> I apologize for cluttering up the list by my last post about the article
> not realizing it was already well in play.
>
> Ken & Ace
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:42:36 -0400
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction to the list
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> Hi, My name is RJ. I'm from florida. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Alvey" <ashleyalvey1994 at gmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:22 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction to the list
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> My name is Ashley and I am from Kentucky. At this time I do not have a
>> guide dog. I had one last year for six months but it just wasn't the
>> right time. I'm going to reapply for one in November and hopefully have
>> one by next summer.
>> I just wanted to introduce myself. Hope all of you are well,
>> Ashley
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:48:42 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] how to choose toothbrush/toothpaste for dog
> brushing
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> Hi Janice.
> I put a bit of toothpaste on the finger brush. I can't really quantify how
> much. It's a blob in the middle of the brush. If I squished it down, it
> might cover most of the bristle part of the brush.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janice Toothman" <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] how to choose toothbrush/toothpaste for dog brushing
>
>
>> Tracy or Anyone,
>> How much toothpaste do you use and where do you put it (i.e. toothbrush,
>> gums, teeth)?
>> Janice
>> On 8/9/2013 9:09 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>> My technique is to put my hand over the top of Ben's muzzle and pull up
>>> his lip enough to get the toothbrush in and rub it around his teeth.
>>> Otherwise, it can be a bit hard to get the brush past his waving tongue!
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 9:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] how to choose toothbrush/toothpaste for dog brushing
>>>
>>>
>>>> I brush my dog's teeth almost every day. I figure it's good for me, so
>>>> it's probably good for him. I started teeth brushing with my previous
>>>> dog Echo, and her teeth were still fine when she passed at age 17.
>>>> I like the finger brush, and I usually get chicken-flavored toothpaste.
>>>> Ben loves having his teeth brushed. I basically just rub the paste on
>>>> the outside of his teeth, but it seems to do the job, because the vet
>>>> always says his teeth look great. Better to spend a minute every day
>>>> than to have to leave my boy at the vet to be anesthetized for a teeth
>>>> cleaning.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "minh ha" <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] how to choose toothbrush/toothpaste for dog
>>>> brushing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Janice,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was at GDB, they recommend that we brush our dog's teeth daily,
>>>>> but I thought this was a little excessive. My dog likes to chew on her
>>>>> bones all the time and this helps to get rid of any tarter that builds
>>>>> up on her teeth. I brush her teeth every couple of weeks or so just to
>>>>> help with breath odors. The finger brushes are super nice because they
>>>>> give you a lot more control in their mouths. I found a really nice one
>>>>> at Petsmart that has a round thing at the bottom so you can grip it in
>>>>> your palm as opposed to the traditional finger brush that just goes
>>>>> over the tip of your finger. It's worked out really well because I
>>>>> don't feel like it's going to slip off my finger and go down her
>>>>> throat. As for toothpaste, you can get a simple one that has the
>>>>> necessary enzymes to break down the tarter; I have a chicken flavored
>>>>> one and Viva absolutely loves it. She doesn't really like me brushing
>>>>> her teeth, but one technique I use is I kind of hold her nose shut so
>>>>> she'll open up her mouth and I rub the toothpaste over her teeth. It's
>>>>> good if you can actually brush the teeth, but they say it's enough if
>>>>> you spread the toothpaste over them because the enzymes will do its
>>>>> job. I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Minh
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/13, Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions on how to shop for toothbrush or
>>>>>> toothpaste
>>>>>> for your dog. Also, how frequently would you do it and is there a
>>>>>> proper technique to it. Of course, this probably depends on how
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>> your pup is to expose their teeth and gums for cleaning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But when Destiny was at the Vet last she commented that she had tartar
>>>>>> and plaque build up and asked was I brushing. I had relied on the
>>>>>> daily
>>>>>> dental treats because she was never too inclined to open her mouth to
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> when she had gotten into something and I said to "drop it"; she just
>>>>>> clamped her mouth shut on her prize.
>>>>>> Janice
>>>>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:26:27 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> hello nice to meet you,
> my name is rhonda, and i have my first pilot dog,
> may and i have been a team for 4 years,
> and she is 6 years old,
> and a german sheppard.
> we reside in northurn california,
> and i have a part time job.
> doing cosermer service work, and i'm going to apply back to college again.
> so. that is all for now.
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Margo Downey and Arrow wrote:
>
>> Ashley, welcome to the nagdu list and jump in any time. Good luck with your
>> re-applying for a guide dog and we're here if you have questions.
>>
>> Margoa nd Arrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Alvey
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:23 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction to the list
>>
>> Hi all,
>> My name is Ashley and I am from Kentucky. At this time I do not have a guide
>> dog. I had one last year for six months but it just wasn't the right time.
>> I'm going to reapply for one in November and hopefully have one by next
>> summer.
>> I just wanted to introduce myself. Hope all of you are well, Ashley
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:38:28 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction to the list
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> hi welcome to the list. my name is sheila and I'm working with my second
> dog a golden retriever named Tres. he will be four at the end of
> September. I got him when he was eighteen months old.
> On 8/13/2013 7:22 AM, Ashley Alvey wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> My name is Ashley and I am from Kentucky. At this time I do not have a guide dog. I had one last year for six months but it just wasn't the right time. I'm going to reapply for one in November and hopefully have one by next summer.
>> I just wanted to introduce myself. Hope all of you are well,
>> Ashley
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:54:44 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9
> helpers
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> Yay me! I?mthe first comment on this article.
> --
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> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
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>
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Ginger Kutsch <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
>>
>> Monday, August 12, 2013 by:jennlouisew at gmail.com (Jennifer Wadsworth)
>>
>> Source:
>> http://blog.beaumontenterprise.com/hottopics/2013/08/12/fake-service-dogs-su
>> lly-reputation-of-real-k-9-helpers/
>>
>>
>>
>> Liars undermine the work of real service dogs like this one. (Photo credit:
>> Lisa Norwood / Flickr)
>>
>> Fake service dogs are a real problem, akin to a perfectly able-bodied person
>> hogging a handicap parking spot. An undercover reporter added to the problem
>> one recent afternoon to prove a point - well, two points, really, one of
>> which was that it was a slow news day.
>>
>> New York Post reporter Tara Palmeri 'fitted up her mom's 3-foot-tall,
>> 70-pound retriever-poodle mutt, Hampton, with a fake service vest and took
>> him out to various restaurants and shops. Hampton jumped up on patrons and
>> frayed nerves of maitre d's legally forbidden by the Americans With
>> Disabilities Act from asking for proof of the dog's medical purpose.
>>
>> "The city's craziest, most badly behaved sons of bitches can run wild in the
>> most elegant eateries in town - as long as they're masquerading as service
>> dogs," Palmeri begins.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hampton and Palmeri hit up a bakery, a grocery store, Starbucks and even the
>> super-posh Le Cirque, where servers feted the pooch with a bowl of ice
>> water.
>>
>> "Hampton - showing off his phony "service dog'' patch we had specially
>> embroidered - happily slobbered as he wolfed down an 8-ounce salmon filet,"
>> the piece continues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Experts say that poser service animals spoil the reputation of real ones.
>> Actual guide dogs are trained to not act out in public, unlike their
>> civilian counterparts who jump up on laps and generally haven't learned to
>> reign in their excitement. SF Weekly profiled a particularly aggressive
>> Chihuahua, Tita, in 2009, remarking on the ease with which any old creature,
>> even a vicious lap pup, could gain certified service animal status.
>>
>> "In San Francisco, snakes, lizards, pit bulls, chickens, pigeons, and
>> rodents have all been declared service animals, hauled onto public
>> transportation, housed legally in city apartments, and, essentially, given
>> the full run of the city," the story states.
>>
>> ADA laws make it easy for anyone to obtain service papers for any old
>> canine. You could also buy a vest online. But those same laws prevent anyone
>> from asking for proof of the animal's legitimacy, making it an easy stunt to
>> pull if you're absolutely insistent on bringing your dog to a white table
>> cloth restaurant.
>>
>> No legal repercussion exists for these regular dogs masquerading as helpers,
>> but advocacy groups are fixing to change that. There's a petition underway
>> that's calling the federal government to crack down on service dog fraud,
>> including a ban on fake service dog vests sold online.
>>
>> Ethics aside, it just seems like a huge hassle to go through just to bring
>> your pet to dine out. Is it really that great?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> h/t The Atlantic Wire
>>
>> Find Jennifer Wadsworth on Twitter at @jennwadsworth.
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:09:51 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9
> helpers
> Message-ID: <E378185A-4976-4E3F-9FD9-969BFBE0FF7A at gmail.com>
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> Today was the second time it was posted and I posted on it yesterday.
>
> CL
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>
>> Yay me! I?mthe first comment on this article.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Ginger Kutsch <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
>>>
>>> Monday, August 12, 2013 by:jennlouisew at gmail.com (Jennifer Wadsworth)
>>>
>>> Source:
>>> http://blog.beaumontenterprise.com/hottopics/2013/08/12/fake-service-dogs-su
>>> lly-reputation-of-real-k-9-helpers/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Liars undermine the work of real service dogs like this one. (Photo credit:
>>> Lisa Norwood / Flickr)
>>>
>>> Fake service dogs are a real problem, akin to a perfectly able-bodied person
>>> hogging a handicap parking spot. An undercover reporter added to the problem
>>> one recent afternoon to prove a point - well, two points, really, one of
>>> which was that it was a slow news day.
>>>
>>> New York Post reporter Tara Palmeri 'fitted up her mom's 3-foot-tall,
>>> 70-pound retriever-poodle mutt, Hampton, with a fake service vest and took
>>> him out to various restaurants and shops. Hampton jumped up on patrons and
>>> frayed nerves of maitre d's legally forbidden by the Americans With
>>> Disabilities Act from asking for proof of the dog's medical purpose.
>>>
>>> "The city's craziest, most badly behaved sons of bitches can run wild in the
>>> most elegant eateries in town - as long as they're masquerading as service
>>> dogs," Palmeri begins.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hampton and Palmeri hit up a bakery, a grocery store, Starbucks and even the
>>> super-posh Le Cirque, where servers feted the pooch with a bowl of ice
>>> water.
>>>
>>> "Hampton - showing off his phony "service dog'' patch we had specially
>>> embroidered - happily slobbered as he wolfed down an 8-ounce salmon filet,"
>>> the piece continues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Experts say that poser service animals spoil the reputation of real ones.
>>> Actual guide dogs are trained to not act out in public, unlike their
>>> civilian counterparts who jump up on laps and generally haven't learned to
>>> reign in their excitement. SF Weekly profiled a particularly aggressive
>>> Chihuahua, Tita, in 2009, remarking on the ease with which any old creature,
>>> even a vicious lap pup, could gain certified service animal status.
>>>
>>> "In San Francisco, snakes, lizards, pit bulls, chickens, pigeons, and
>>> rodents have all been declared service animals, hauled onto public
>>> transportation, housed legally in city apartments, and, essentially, given
>>> the full run of the city," the story states.
>>>
>>> ADA laws make it easy for anyone to obtain service papers for any old
>>> canine. You could also buy a vest online. But those same laws prevent anyone
>>> from asking for proof of the animal's legitimacy, making it an easy stunt to
>>> pull if you're absolutely insistent on bringing your dog to a white table
>>> cloth restaurant.
>>>
>>> No legal repercussion exists for these regular dogs masquerading as helpers,
>>> but advocacy groups are fixing to change that. There's a petition underway
>>> that's calling the federal government to crack down on service dog fraud,
>>> including a ban on fake service dog vests sold online.
>>>
>>> Ethics aside, it just seems like a huge hassle to go through just to bring
>>> your pet to dine out. Is it really that great?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> h/t The Atlantic Wire
>>>
>>> Find Jennifer Wadsworth on Twitter at @jennwadsworth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:51:04 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] New York taxis
> Message-ID: <6A7F2FD3E3D5400AACCF289FD5E93B83 at tracy>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> Ben, the only solution I know is to get the medallion number and file a
> complaint with the City Commision on Human Rights. They investigate, and
> issue a fine to the taxi company.
> Or, my most usual method, give up on taxis and just walk, take the bus, or
> take the subway. But the Human Rights Commission really does follow up on
> complaints, so it can make a difference.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Humphreys" <brh at opticinspiration.org>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Woman says cab driver refused her a ride because of
> seeing-eye dog
>
>
>> Marion and others,
>>
>> I feel the discrimination by New York City taxi drivers remains a huge
>> problem, especially in a city where taxicabs are a primary form of
>> transportation for all.
>>
>> We get passed up all the time, cabs run away, I've resorted to standing
>> around the corner and having someone else get me a cab and open the door,
>> so we can then jump in or get the medallion number before he runs away.
>>
>> Then when you're in the cab, and that driver has a problem, you have to
>> have "the talk", which that confrontation pretty much ruins whatever good
>> mood you were in, and if you're lucky, driver will listen, but more often
>> no amount of logical persuasion will do. He ether reluctantly agrees and
>> has to comment on it for the rest of the ride, or you call the cops, but
>> most of the time, I believe you just get passed up on the street and never
>> even know it directly.
>>
>> I wonder how many times NYC taxi drivers have really been taken to task,
>> as Mike suggested?
>>
>> In other cities, like Ft Lauderdale or Phoenix, you can text message your
>> address and taxi will come pretty quickly, and record of taxi's # is in
>> the reply text message. So if they leave, you know who your enemy is.
>>
>> But with NYC, when they pass you up, you never know. I wonder what the
>> solution to this problem is?
>>
>> Maybe one of those <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_(dog)>
>>
>> Pomeranian pocket dogs that you could pop in your purse or backpack?
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> At 06:04 PM 8/6/2013, you wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> In most jurisdictions, not only is the driver responsible for the
>>> discrimination, the company can also be held responsible. Merry and I
>>> fought
>>> the cab companies for several years with very little change. After filing
>>> several criminal complaints, we filed against the cab company and won. To
>>> the best of my knowledge, there has not been an issue since! Take it to
>>> the
>>> top if you want to reach the bottom!
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sheila Leigland
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 2:52 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Woman says cab driver refused her a ride because of
>>> seeing-eye dog
>>>
>>> i totally agree with this definetely fight back. We did that with a driver
>>> and haven't had any trouble since and it has been at least six years.
>>> On 8/6/2013 10:43 AM, Michael Hingson wrote:
>>>> Make no mistake, it is against the law to refuse to take a blind
>>>> person accompanied by a guide dog. In New York I have taken more than
>>>> one cab driver to the authorities because they refused to take me and
>>> Roselle.
>>>>
>>>> There is no negotiation here. If a cab driver refuses any of us we
>>>> should fight back.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of rhonda cruz
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 09:39 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Woman says cab driver refused her a ride because
>>>> of seeing-eye dog
>>>>
>>>> hi i always take a cab places and i never had that happen.
>>>> or if it did i would call another driver.
>>>> but those are my thoughts,
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Rusty Perez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>> about 13 years ago when I was in Dallas for a convention, I called a
>>>>> cab late one night to drive me to my hotel. I waited for a long time
>>>>> and finally discovered that the cab had come and driven off when he
>>>>> realized I had a dog with me. The second cab which came a while
>>>>> later, explained to me that some folks have a religeous objection to
>>>>> having dogs in their cabs.
>>>>> I was pretty upset, but did nothing about it.
>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>
>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/6/13, Ginger Kutsch <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Woman says cab driver refused her a ride because of seeing-eye dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By Bob Heye KATU News and KATU.com StaffPublished: Aug 2, 2013
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.katu.com/news/local/Woman-says-cab-driver-refused-her-a-r
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> de-beca
>>>>>> use-of-seeing-eye-dog-218052101.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PORTLAND, Ore. - A woman who is blind says a Broadway Cab driver
>>>>>> refused her service because she had a seeing-eye dog with her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It all unfolded at Union Station, and an Amtrak worker confirmed
>>>>>> what happened to Deb Marinos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marinos had gotten off the train and was trying to get to OHSU for a
>>>>>> scheduled checkup but a Broadway Cab driver, and then a second cab
>>>>>> driver both refused to give her a ride.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I have a little tiny bit of vision," she said. "I'm what's called
>>>>>> legally blind, but I have no peripheral vision. So the dog provides
>>>>>> me the ability to cross streets and find curbs and doors."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marinos rides Amtrak all the time - commuting to work in Salem and
>>>>>> Portland and also traveling the country to conferences and
>>>>>> legislative assemblies in her job as a vocational rehabilitation
>>>>>> counselor for the Oregon Council of the Blind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She was stunned when she went to get into a Broadway Cab and the
>>>>>> driver refused to let her in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "And he says, 'No, she has a dog. I'm not takin' her. No dogs. Dogs
>>>>>> aren't allowed by the company.'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A second Broadway driver said he'd take her, but he already had a
>>>>>> fare. The next cab back was a Sassy Cab, a subsidiary of Broadway
>>>>>> Cab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The cab behind him, Sassy Cab, says 'No, I don't do dogs either,'"
>>>>>> Marinos said. "And then the fourth cab got out to see what all the
>>>>>> fun was about and they said, 'OK, we'll take you.'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An Amtrak helper known as Red Cap argued with the cab drivers'
>>>>>> refusals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Amtrak is so incredibly good at taking care of us, and the Red Cap
>>>>>> today was just absolutely. He was just like all over them and could
>>>>>> not believe it
>>>>>> - that they'd never had that before where they've had someone turned
>>>> down,"
>>>>>> Marinos said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if you think allergies to dogs is behind all this, Marinos said
>>>>>> that's not a factor. She's allergic to dogs. Her service dog breed
>>>>>> is hypoallergenic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KATU didn't get a response from Broadway Cab Thursday night. City
>>>>>> regulations say "No driver shall ... refuse to transport to his
>>>>>> requested destination any passenger of proper demeanor who is able
>>>>>> to demonstrate the ability to pay the fare."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marinos met both of those requirements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A city spokesperson said the city is starting a formal investigation
>>>>>> into the incident and that Broadway Cab is cooperating with
>>>> investigators.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:16:55 -0500
> From: Laurel and Stockard <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Northern American Guide Dog Schools Accepting
> ForeignApplicants?
> Message-ID: <62E036A1-F49C-4DCD-A69B-D185205FBDB3 at gmail.com>
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> Like somebody else has stated, Guide Dogs for the Blind does. I know there are graduates currently in Europe right now, and I also have been told by GDB trainers that on a case by case basis, they will at times work with the European schools to provide various types of support to grads living in Europe. Anyways, hope that helps.
> Laurel and Stockard
> On Aug 11, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>
>> I am sure that The Seeing Eye also accepts applicants from other countries.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leye-Shprintse ?berg" <leyeshprintse at ymail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:05 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Northern American Guide Dog Schools Accepting ForeignApplicants?
>>
>>
>>> BS"D
>>>
>>> I've read on the Internet and another guide dog list that some guide dog schools in the Northern America accept applications from foreigners but nowhere can I find which schools they are? Do you know which they are? In Sweden, we only accept applications from people who live here. Thank you for your help!
>>>
>>> I know that I've not replied to your messages yet but I've been a bit down these last days, I'll go through my e-mail tomorrow. :)
>>>
>>> Leye-Shprintse <3
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:20:28 -0400
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Northern American Guide Dog Schools
> AcceptingForeignApplicants?
> Message-ID: <000301ce9862$8de539b0$0302a8c0 at hometwxakonvzn>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> If any one wants you may come on to my team talk server. Just email me off
> of the list with your desired user name and pass word. I will have a guide
> dog channel on there. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurel and Stockard" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Northern American Guide Dog Schools
> AcceptingForeignApplicants?
>
>
> Like somebody else has stated, Guide Dogs for the Blind does. I know there
> are graduates currently in Europe right now, and I also have been told by
> GDB trainers that on a case by case basis, they will at times work with the
> European schools to provide various types of support to grads living in
> Europe. Anyways, hope that helps.
> Laurel and Stockard
> On Aug 11, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:
>
>> I am sure that The Seeing Eye also accepts applicants from other
>> countries.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leye-Shprintse ?berg"
>> <leyeshprintse at ymail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:05 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Northern American Guide Dog Schools Accepting
>> ForeignApplicants?
>>
>>
>>> BS"D
>>>
>>> I've read on the Internet and another guide dog list that some guide dog
>>> schools in the Northern America accept applications from foreigners but
>>> nowhere can I find which schools they are? Do you know which they are? In
>>> Sweden, we only accept applications from people who live here. Thank you
>>> for your help!
>>>
>>> I know that I've not replied to your messages yet but I've been a bit
>>> down these last days, I'll go through my e-mail tomorrow. :)
>>>
>>> Leye-Shprintse <3
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:09:59 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9
> helpers
> Message-ID: <6F430F9A-2964-49A5-A62F-861E162782F9 at brannan.name>
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> No, I meant that I commented on the blog post on the blog web page. No one else had yet.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Today was the second time it was posted and I posted on it yesterday.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>>
>>> Yay me! I?mthe first comment on this article.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Ginger Kutsch <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
>>>>
>>>> Monday, August 12, 2013 by:jennlouisew at gmail.com (Jennifer Wadsworth)
>>>>
>>>> Source:
>>>> http://blog.beaumontenterprise.com/hottopics/2013/08/12/fake-service-dogs-su
>>>> lly-reputation-of-real-k-9-helpers/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Liars undermine the work of real service dogs like this one. (Photo credit:
>>>> Lisa Norwood / Flickr)
>>>>
>>>> Fake service dogs are a real problem, akin to a perfectly able-bodied person
>>>> hogging a handicap parking spot. An undercover reporter added to the problem
>>>> one recent afternoon to prove a point - well, two points, really, one of
>>>> which was that it was a slow news day.
>>>>
>>>> New York Post reporter Tara Palmeri 'fitted up her mom's 3-foot-tall,
>>>> 70-pound retriever-poodle mutt, Hampton, with a fake service vest and took
>>>> him out to various restaurants and shops. Hampton jumped up on patrons and
>>>> frayed nerves of maitre d's legally forbidden by the Americans With
>>>> Disabilities Act from asking for proof of the dog's medical purpose.
>>>>
>>>> "The city's craziest, most badly behaved sons of bitches can run wild in the
>>>> most elegant eateries in town - as long as they're masquerading as service
>>>> dogs," Palmeri begins.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hampton and Palmeri hit up a bakery, a grocery store, Starbucks and even the
>>>> super-posh Le Cirque, where servers feted the pooch with a bowl of ice
>>>> water.
>>>>
>>>> "Hampton - showing off his phony "service dog'' patch we had specially
>>>> embroidered - happily slobbered as he wolfed down an 8-ounce salmon filet,"
>>>> the piece continues.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Experts say that poser service animals spoil the reputation of real ones.
>>>> Actual guide dogs are trained to not act out in public, unlike their
>>>> civilian counterparts who jump up on laps and generally haven't learned to
>>>> reign in their excitement. SF Weekly profiled a particularly aggressive
>>>> Chihuahua, Tita, in 2009, remarking on the ease with which any old creature,
>>>> even a vicious lap pup, could gain certified service animal status.
>>>>
>>>> "In San Francisco, snakes, lizards, pit bulls, chickens, pigeons, and
>>>> rodents have all been declared service animals, hauled onto public
>>>> transportation, housed legally in city apartments, and, essentially, given
>>>> the full run of the city," the story states.
>>>>
>>>> ADA laws make it easy for anyone to obtain service papers for any old
>>>> canine. You could also buy a vest online. But those same laws prevent anyone
>>>> from asking for proof of the animal's legitimacy, making it an easy stunt to
>>>> pull if you're absolutely insistent on bringing your dog to a white table
>>>> cloth restaurant.
>>>>
>>>> No legal repercussion exists for these regular dogs masquerading as helpers,
>>>> but advocacy groups are fixing to change that. There's a petition underway
>>>> that's calling the federal government to crack down on service dog fraud,
>>>> including a ban on fake service dog vests sold online.
>>>>
>>>> Ethics aside, it just seems like a huge hassle to go through just to bring
>>>> your pet to dine out. Is it really that great?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> h/t The Atlantic Wire
>>>>
>>>> Find Jennifer Wadsworth on Twitter at @jennwadsworth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:29:19 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
> Message-ID: <000001ce986c$39759460$ac60bd20$@acenovels.com>
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>
> I am very close to my dog and had planned a cruise in Nov. but the
> requirements to get off the ship in 5 different countries has become
> problematic. My wife could be my dog on the cruise, haha, but I have a real
> problem thinking about leaving him behind for seven days for his feelings as
> much or more than mine.
>
> I have heard that dogs can't distinguish time like we do and five hours or
> five days have the same feeling to them. Any thought?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken & Ace
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:51:44 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9
> helpers
> Message-ID: <133F5336-7AF7-4DB9-A61F-3F7C0722ADA1 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Oh, well that clears things up. LOL. Smart a**s always have their day, don't I? <Grin>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>
>> No, I meant that I commented on the blog post on the blog web page. No one else had yet.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Today was the second time it was posted and I posted on it yesterday.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yay me! I?mthe first comment on this article.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Ginger Kutsch <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fake service dogs sully reputation of real K-9 helpers
>>>>>
>>>>> Monday, August 12, 2013 by:jennlouisew at gmail.com (Jennifer Wadsworth)
>>>>>
>>>>> Source:
>>>>> http://blog.beaumontenterprise.com/hottopics/2013/08/12/fake-service-dogs-su
>>>>> lly-reputation-of-real-k-9-helpers/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Liars undermine the work of real service dogs like this one. (Photo credit:
>>>>> Lisa Norwood / Flickr)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fake service dogs are a real problem, akin to a perfectly able-bodied person
>>>>> hogging a handicap parking spot. An undercover reporter added to the problem
>>>>> one recent afternoon to prove a point - well, two points, really, one of
>>>>> which was that it was a slow news day.
>>>>>
>>>>> New York Post reporter Tara Palmeri 'fitted up her mom's 3-foot-tall,
>>>>> 70-pound retriever-poodle mutt, Hampton, with a fake service vest and took
>>>>> him out to various restaurants and shops. Hampton jumped up on patrons and
>>>>> frayed nerves of maitre d's legally forbidden by the Americans With
>>>>> Disabilities Act from asking for proof of the dog's medical purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The city's craziest, most badly behaved sons of bitches can run wild in the
>>>>> most elegant eateries in town - as long as they're masquerading as service
>>>>> dogs," Palmeri begins.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hampton and Palmeri hit up a bakery, a grocery store, Starbucks and even the
>>>>> super-posh Le Cirque, where servers feted the pooch with a bowl of ice
>>>>> water.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hampton - showing off his phony "service dog'' patch we had specially
>>>>> embroidered - happily slobbered as he wolfed down an 8-ounce salmon filet,"
>>>>> the piece continues.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Experts say that poser service animals spoil the reputation of real ones.
>>>>> Actual guide dogs are trained to not act out in public, unlike their
>>>>> civilian counterparts who jump up on laps and generally haven't learned to
>>>>> reign in their excitement. SF Weekly profiled a particularly aggressive
>>>>> Chihuahua, Tita, in 2009, remarking on the ease with which any old creature,
>>>>> even a vicious lap pup, could gain certified service animal status.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In San Francisco, snakes, lizards, pit bulls, chickens, pigeons, and
>>>>> rodents have all been declared service animals, hauled onto public
>>>>> transportation, housed legally in city apartments, and, essentially, given
>>>>> the full run of the city," the story states.
>>>>>
>>>>> ADA laws make it easy for anyone to obtain service papers for any old
>>>>> canine. You could also buy a vest online. But those same laws prevent anyone
>>>>> from asking for proof of the animal's legitimacy, making it an easy stunt to
>>>>> pull if you're absolutely insistent on bringing your dog to a white table
>>>>> cloth restaurant.
>>>>>
>>>>> No legal repercussion exists for these regular dogs masquerading as helpers,
>>>>> but advocacy groups are fixing to change that. There's a petition underway
>>>>> that's calling the federal government to crack down on service dog fraud,
>>>>> including a ban on fake service dog vests sold online.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ethics aside, it just seems like a huge hassle to go through just to bring
>>>>> your pet to dine out. Is it really that great?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> h/t The Atlantic Wire
>>>>>
>>>>> Find Jennifer Wadsworth on Twitter at @jennwadsworth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:57:38 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
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> Don't you have time to work through taking the dog? The dog will be fine if you leave him that long. Mine didn't like me much for a few hours after I got back, but he did et over it within the same day.
>
> The next time I went on a cruise I took him with me, but I didn't get off the boat. It wasn't a requirement.
>
> CL
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:29 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> I am very close to my dog and had planned a cruise in Nov. but the
>> requirements to get off the ship in 5 different countries has become
>> problematic. My wife could be my dog on the cruise, haha, but I have a real
>> problem thinking about leaving him behind for seven days for his feelings as
>> much or more than mine.
>>
>> I have heard that dogs can't distinguish time like we do and five hours or
>> five days have the same feeling to them. Any thought?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken & Ace
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:11:26 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
> Message-ID: <000d01ce9872$1a27e940$4e77bbc0$@acenovels.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks Cindy, the one problem is that I have to have some of the papers
> signed off on by his vet not more than 10 days before we get to that port
> plus some other unrealistic requirements in other ports. That and trying to
> train him to go on a small mat is another. If I stay on board it kind of
> defeats the purpose and I would definitely drink too much.
> K&A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:58 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>
> Don't you have time to work through taking the dog? The dog will be fine if
> you leave him that long. Mine didn't like me much for a few hours after I
> got back, but he did et over it within the same day.
>
> The next time I went on a cruise I took him with me, but I didn't get off
> the boat. It wasn't a requirement.
>
> CL
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:29 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> I am very close to my dog and had planned a cruise in Nov. but the
>> requirements to get off the ship in 5 different countries has become
>> problematic. My wife could be my dog on the cruise, haha, but I have a
>> real problem thinking about leaving him behind for seven days for his
>> feelings as much or more than mine.
>>
>> I have heard that dogs can't distinguish time like we do and five
>> hours or five days have the same feeling to them. Any thought?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ken & Ace
>>
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:43:57 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
> Message-ID: <ADCDFB79-C069-47FE-81C4-4939CA8F0C93 at gmail.com>
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>
> Why do you have to train him to go on a mat. They will sometimes give you a place where he can go. Mine just went on the deck and I picked up ater him. I had a little deck right down from my place. Not sure it was the best. It worked out though. As for the deadlines, I suspect there might be a way to work that out, but I don't know this. Janine can probably help you more with that.
>
> CL
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Cindy, the one problem is that I have to have some of the papers
>> signed off on by his vet not more than 10 days before we get to that port
>> plus some other unrealistic requirements in other ports. That and trying to
>> train him to go on a small mat is another. If I stay on board it kind of
>> defeats the purpose and I would definitely drink too much.
>> K&A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:58 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>>
>> Don't you have time to work through taking the dog? The dog will be fine if
>> you leave him that long. Mine didn't like me much for a few hours after I
>> got back, but he did et over it within the same day.
>>
>> The next time I went on a cruise I took him with me, but I didn't get off
>> the boat. It wasn't a requirement.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:29 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am very close to my dog and had planned a cruise in Nov. but the
>>> requirements to get off the ship in 5 different countries has become
>>> problematic. My wife could be my dog on the cruise, haha, but I have a
>>> real problem thinking about leaving him behind for seven days for his
>>> feelings as much or more than mine.
>>>
>>> I have heard that dogs can't distinguish time like we do and five
>>> hours or five days have the same feeling to them. Any thought?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ken & Ace
>>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:52:46 -0700
> From: "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] how much is too much?
> Message-ID: <4D48AB48EDAC4E75A60C17E27BAF32DD at lindagwizdak>
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> reply-type=response
>
> Hi Julie J,
> Therapy dogs don't have much in task training than a well behaved pet -
> which they really are. The dog needs to be one who likes to interact with
> strangers and not jump on people. Most programs for therapy dogs want the
> dog to have taken and passed the CGC Test to make sure the dog won't freak
> out by souonds, smells and sights that are in a typical nursing home, psyche
> ward, or school. The dog has to be able to handle strange ways of touch
> that may come from a person who can't use their hands well. I also think
> many programs wants the dog to be at least 6 months old, but prefer older
> than that so they know the dog is able to be house trained. They need to be
> up to date on all shots and vaccines, be clean, free of fleas, and healthy.
>
> Also preferred are dogs who aren't totally rambunctious and are able to self
> control at some level - thus a little older than 6 months if possible. This
> gives time for a pup to gain socialization and some training. Yes, they do
> NOT have the same access rights as a service dog that is trained to perform
> a task to mitigate a person's disability.
>
> HTH,
>
> Lyn and Landon
>
>
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] how much is too much?
>
>
>> Tami,
>>
>> The owner of the dog said herself that it was a therapy dog in training
>> and went on to state that it would be going into hospitals and nursing
>> homes and such. To me that clearly is a therapy dog, not a service dog.
>> She seems to get the difference between therapy and service dogs, but I
>> think the legal bits she didn't know or chose to ignore.
>>
>> Yes, the part about 12 months to start training was odd, but maybe she
>> meant for the specific task part? I'm not even sure if there are any
>> specific behaviors therapy dogs need to learn?
>>
>> Julie
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:58:15 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
> Message-ID: <001201ce9878$a433aab0$ec9b0010$@acenovels.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The cruise line told me that they had a place for him to relieve himself on
> a 3x3 mat but I would have to get a crew member for access each time.
> K&A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:44 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>
> Why do you have to train him to go on a mat. They will sometimes give you a
> place where he can go. Mine just went on the deck and I picked up ater him.
> I had a little deck right down from my place. Not sure it was the best. It
> worked out though. As for the deadlines, I suspect there might be a way to
> work that out, but I don't know this. Janine can probably help you more with
> that.
>
> CL
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Cindy, the one problem is that I have to have some of the
>> papers signed off on by his vet not more than 10 days before we get to
>> that port plus some other unrealistic requirements in other ports.
>> That and trying to train him to go on a small mat is another. If I
>> stay on board it kind of defeats the purpose and I would definitely drink
> too much.
>> K&A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:58 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>>
>> Don't you have time to work through taking the dog? The dog will be
>> fine if you leave him that long. Mine didn't like me much for a few
>> hours after I got back, but he did et over it within the same day.
>>
>> The next time I went on a cruise I took him with me, but I didn't get
>> off the boat. It wasn't a requirement.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:29 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am very close to my dog and had planned a cruise in Nov. but the
>>> requirements to get off the ship in 5 different countries has become
>>> problematic. My wife could be my dog on the cruise, haha, but I have
>>> a real problem thinking about leaving him behind for seven days for
>>> his feelings as much or more than mine.
>>>
>>> I have heard that dogs can't distinguish time like we do and five
>>> hours or five days have the same feeling to them. Any thought?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ken & Ace
>>>
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>>> m
>>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:08:19 -0700
> From: "Tina Thomas" <judotina48kg at gmail.com>
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> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] We Are Catching Up!
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> Hello NAGDU- I am pleased to report that NAGDU has 31 followers on Twitter!
> Good Job! Keep getting the word out about NAGDU on twitter!
> Tina
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
> Association of Guide Dog Users
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 7:39 AM
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:06:30 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
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> That would be a nuissance. He will be all right to leave. Would you leave him with a friend?
> CL
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> The cruise line told me that they had a place for him to relieve himself on
>> a 3x3 mat but I would have to get a crew member for access each time.
>> K&A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:44 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>>
>> Why do you have to train him to go on a mat. They will sometimes give you a
>> place where he can go. Mine just went on the deck and I picked up ater him.
>> I had a little deck right down from my place. Not sure it was the best. It
>> worked out though. As for the deadlines, I suspect there might be a way to
>> work that out, but I don't know this. Janine can probably help you more with
>> that.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Cindy, the one problem is that I have to have some of the
>>> papers signed off on by his vet not more than 10 days before we get to
>>> that port plus some other unrealistic requirements in other ports.
>>> That and trying to train him to go on a small mat is another. If I
>>> stay on board it kind of defeats the purpose and I would definitely drink
>> too much.
>>> K&A
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:58 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>>>
>>> Don't you have time to work through taking the dog? The dog will be
>>> fine if you leave him that long. Mine didn't like me much for a few
>>> hours after I got back, but he did et over it within the same day.
>>>
>>> The next time I went on a cruise I took him with me, but I didn't get
>>> off the boat. It wasn't a requirement.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:29 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am very close to my dog and had planned a cruise in Nov. but the
>>>> requirements to get off the ship in 5 different countries has become
>>>> problematic. My wife could be my dog on the cruise, haha, but I have
>>>> a real problem thinking about leaving him behind for seven days for
>>>> his feelings as much or more than mine.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard that dogs can't distinguish time like we do and five
>>>> hours or five days have the same feeling to them. Any thought?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:08:20 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
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> If I couldn't leave him in a kind and loving environment I wouldn't go, I
> would just send my wife with a girlfriend and visit family up north. He has
> never suffered any abuse and I intend to see that he never dose.
> K&A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:07 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>
> That would be a nuissance. He will be all right to leave. Would you leave
> him with a friend?
> CL
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>
>> The cruise line told me that they had a place for him to relieve
>> himself on a 3x3 mat but I would have to get a crew member for access each
> time.
>> K&A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:44 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>>
>> Why do you have to train him to go on a mat. They will sometimes give
>> you a place where he can go. Mine just went on the deck and I picked up
> ater him.
>> I had a little deck right down from my place. Not sure it was the
>> best. It worked out though. As for the deadlines, I suspect there
>> might be a way to work that out, but I don't know this. Janine can
>> probably help you more with that.
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:11 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Cindy, the one problem is that I have to have some of the
>>> papers signed off on by his vet not more than 10 days before we get
>>> to that port plus some other unrealistic requirements in other ports.
>>> That and trying to train him to go on a small mat is another. If I
>>> stay on board it kind of defeats the purpose and I would definitely
>>> drink
>> too much.
>>> K&A
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:58 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Trainers/Dog Whispers & All
>>>
>>> Don't you have time to work through taking the dog? The dog will be
>>> fine if you leave him that long. Mine didn't like me much for a few
>>> hours after I got back, but he did et over it within the same day.
>>>
>>> The next time I went on a cruise I took him with me, but I didn't get
>>> off the boat. It wasn't a requirement.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 4:29 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am very close to my dog and had planned a cruise in Nov. but the
>>>> requirements to get off the ship in 5 different countries has become
>>>> problematic. My wife could be my dog on the cruise, haha, but I have
>>>> a real problem thinking about leaving him behind for seven days for
>>>> his feelings as much or more than mine.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard that dogs can't distinguish time like we do and five
>>>> hours or five days have the same feeling to them. Any thought?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>>
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