[nagdu] Suggestions needed!

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Sat Aug 17 15:35:14 UTC 2013


You really believe that this would eliminate the problem of fake IDs. You can get a fake anything--fake money, fake credit card, fake harness or vest--you name it. And if you have registration of some kind, you can get that fake, too. There are always going to be people pushing the envelope. You are always going to have gray areas, too. An accident is going to happen in w hich someone is going to think it was your dog's fault. That happened to me once. Dogs have acciddnts in he convention hotels. Without eliminating all of the dogs, you can't really know whose dog did it much of the time unless the person is honest and requests help in an uncomfortable situation, and believe me it is an uncomfortable situation. So then would you say, "OK, your dog pooped on the floor, thanks for telling us, get out!" Stuff happens, and this is not a perfect world.

Cindy Lou

On Aug 17, 2013, at 10:23 AM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree a certification test is asking way too much of a handler, but
> I still think some sort of identification/registration would be a good
> idea. A lot of people object to the notion of carrying an ID proving
> that their service animal is legitimate because they would have to
> disclose their disability, but a system can definitely be established
> where the person can still keep their disability private. If an entity
> could be developed that certifies that the animal has been through the
> necessary training, either by an organization or a private trainer,
> and then issue an ID that simply says "service animal," it wouldn't
> infringe on anybody's rights. It would probably stop all of this fake
> service dog stuff too. I'm sure not a lot of people would like this
> idea as they still think it would go against their rights or
> something, but I still like the idea of it being regulated.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Minh
> 
> On 8/17/13, Howard J. Levine <WB2HWW at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I agree keep the government out of it we don't need any more laws. If
>> service dog is not quiet or making problems in a store then he should be
>> made to leave, just like a person can be made to leave store if they are a
>> problem.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Suggestions needed!
>> 
>> I think limiting breeds or even identifying specific breeds as common
>> service dogs creates a couple of problems.
>> 
>> Every dog is unique and although dogs within a breed will have similarities
>> in temperament, there are always going to be exceptions.  I'm sure there
>> are
>> very nice Chihuahua's out there.  I had a Beagle as a kid that was a menace
>> to society.
>> 
>> Suggesting or pointing to specific breeds will give the impression that
>> only
>> 
>> those breeds can be service dogs.   Different breeds have different
>> talents.
>> 
>> What we choose for a guide might be the polar opposite of what someone that
>> needs a hearing dog would choose.  Also there may be things that dogs can
>> do
>> that we haven't discovered yet.  I wouldn't want to say that St. Bernard's
>> can never be used as service dogs, only to find out in 20 years that their
>> saliva contains some enzyme that can be used for pain management for people
>> with advanced arthritis.  I totally made that up, but I don't think we've
>> discovered everything that dogs are capable of helping with yet.
>> 
>> My final issue is that the general public is not very good with breed
>> identification.  I had people mistake my Beagle for a pit bull.  And what
>> about the mixed breed dogs?  Just the other day I had someone insist that
>> Monty looked like a Great Dane.  Or at the state fair a couple of years
>> ago,
>> I had someone say he was a pit bull.
>> 
>> I think entering into the area of what breeds are used as service dogs will
>> cause more confusion than it will clear up.  Any public education efforts
>> we
>> offer have to be super simple, straightforward and black and white.  The
>> less open for interpretation the better.  Either the dog has fleas and
>> should be asked to leave or he doesn't.  Either the dog pooped on the floor
>> and should be asked to leave or he didn't.
>> 
>> JMHO
>> Julie
>> 
>> 
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