[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 101, Issue 26

[Cindy Ray]

Tracy, thanks for that information. After I said it, I suspected it didn't make sense. Why would the "hearing dog" bark anyway? That is fascinating information.

CL

On Aug 18, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Tracie Inman <tracieinman at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Cindy, Just FYI Hearing dogs for the hearing impaired/Deaf are taught NOT to bark.  I had a hearing dog from International Hearing Dog Inc.  The dogs are trained to run to the door, then back to the Deaf person, and back again to the source of the sound.  Likewise, if it is a telephone, baby crying, etc. they will run toward the source of the sound and back to the "partner" and lead them to the source of the sound.  When out of the home, they will alert a Deaf driver to an emergency vehicle by nudging the driver with their nose repeatedly to gain their attention and other signals. If walking, in a store, business, etc and there is an emergency (fire alarm,tornado sirene, etc) they lead the "partner" to safety depending on the emergency.  Like Guide dogs, they are highly trained.  These dogs are seen and not heard.  - Tracie
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>    1. Re: Barking (Cindy Ray)
>    2. Cruising with Ace (Ken Ace)
>    3. Leaving Your Dogs in the Care of Others was RE: Cruising    with
>       Ace (Nicole Torcolini)
>    4. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Sherry Gomes)
>    5. Re: Leaving Your Dogs in the Care of Others was RE:    Cruising
>       with Ace (Ken Ace)
>    6. Re: ID's/ Implants! (minh ha)
>    7. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Sherry Gomes)
>    8. Re: Implant reader! (rhonda cruz)
>    9. Number of DOGS! (Ken Ace)
>   10. Re: Number of DOGS! (Buddy Brannan)
>   11. Re: Number of DOGS! (Nicole Torcolini)
>   12. Re: Number of DOGS! (Ken Ace)
>   13. Re: Number of DOGS! (Sherry Gomes)
>   14. Re: Number of DOGS! (Cindy Ray)
>   15. Re: Number of DOGS! (Ken Ace)
>   16. Re: Number of DOGS! (Larry D. Keeler)
>   17. Re: Number of DOGS! (Tami Jarvis)
>   18. Re: Number of DOGS! (Buddy Brannan)
>   19. Re: Number of DOGS! (Ken Ace)
>   20. Re: ID's/ Implants! (minh ha)
>   21. Re: Number of DOGS! (Cindy Ray)
>   22. Re: Number of DOGS! (Cindy Ray)
>   23. Re: Number of DOGS! (Cindy Ray)
>   24. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Cindy Ray)
>   25. Make your posts count (Marsha Drenth)
>   26. Re: Number of DOGS! (Ken Ace)
>   27. Re: Make your posts count (Ken Ace)
>   28. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Sherry Gomes)
>   29. Re: ID's/ Implants! (daniel)
>   30. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Cindy Ray)
>   31. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Nicole Torcolini)
>   32. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Cindy Ray)
>   33. Re: Number of DOGS! (rhonda cruz)
>   34. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Sherry Gomes)
>   35. Re: ID's/ Implants! (Leye-Shprintse ?berg)
>   36. Re: Number of DOGS! (Leye-Shprintse ?berg)
>   37. Re: Number of DOGS! (Cindy Ray)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:25:49 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Barking
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> Oh, it just dawned on me what this real uestion is. I would say if someone asked you what service the dog performs, you would tell them it barks if you have some kind of emergency, like if you have gone into diabetic shock, or if it barks to tell you the doorbell is ringing (though come to think of it, that would probably not help as much if you are deaf.) You would just say what service the dog performs if you were asked it.
> 
> Doug, did not see that coming, but knowing you, it did surely make perfect sense.
> 
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 2:54 PM, "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nicole,
>> 
>> Yes, I have heard of barking as a taught behavior.  Generally it's used as an indication of an emergency medical need.  I've heard of telephones designed with one large button the dog can push that speed dials 911, then the dog is taught to bark.  The 911 facility is informed beforehand of the situation and if a call from the number with a dog barking occurs, it means that immediate medical attention is needed.
>> 
>> I have also heard of using barking as a means to get help from a neighbor or passerby when the handler needs help, but isn't able to get to a phone or communicate the need.
>> 
>> I'm sure there are other uses for barking that could be useful to the handler.  these are just the two I know of that come immediately to mind.
>> 
>> Julie
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole Torcolini
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 2:06 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] Barking
>> 
>> Has anyone ever heard of a dog barking as part of his/her job? Are people
>> allowed to ask if the barking is part of the dog's job? Just trying to
>> figure out how to help define "excessive barking" and some of the problems
>> that a definition could cause.
>> 
>> Nicole
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:42:58 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Cruising with Ace
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> Cindy and all others,
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts and advice regarding cruising with your Dog. I have
> reluctantly decided to leave Ace at home and go on the cruise with Joyce. My
> brother, who is a kind soul, and my sister-in-law will stay at our place and
> care for Ace. Barrier Island, 7th floor, on the inner coastal, one block
> from the beach with two balconies and fully stocked with food. It was hard,
> I had to twist his arm pretty hard but he finely decided to leave Ohio in
> November for a week and come to Madeira Beach as a favor to me his only
> brother. What a guy. J
> 
> K&A
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:53:57 -0700
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Leaving Your Dogs in the Care of Others was RE:
>     Cruising    with Ace
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> Has your brother cared for Ace before? Does he know all of the rules/needs?
> 
> Nicole and Lexia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:43 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Cruising with Ace
> 
> Cindy and all others,
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts and advice regarding cruising with your Dog. I have
> reluctantly decided to leave Ace at home and go on the cruise with Joyce. My
> brother, who is a kind soul, and my sister-in-law will stay at our place and
> care for Ace. Barrier Island, 7th floor, on the inner coastal, one block
> from the beach with two balconies and fully stocked with food. It was hard,
> I had to twist his arm pretty hard but he finely decided to leave Ohio in
> November for a week and come to Madeira Beach as a favor to me his only
> brother. What a guy. J
> 
> K&A
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:54:45 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and there
> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
> somewhere.
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. So
>> perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic it would
>> be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also create a market
> for
>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would take
>> time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their vet install
>> the chip. Just another thought.
>> 
>> Ken & Ace
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:03:55 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Leaving Your Dogs in the Care of Others was RE:
>     Cruising    with Ace
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> Yes, thanks he has a similar size dog and I have gone over the do's & don'ts
> with him in the past when I visited him in Ohio. But will definitely
> reinforce them before I go.
> K&A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:54 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Leaving Your Dogs in the Care of Others was RE: Cruising
> with Ace
> 
> Has your brother cared for Ace before? Does he know all of the rules/needs?
> 
> Nicole and Lexia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:43 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Cruising with Ace
> 
> Cindy and all others,
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts and advice regarding cruising with your Dog. I have
> reluctantly decided to leave Ace at home and go on the cruise with Joyce. My
> brother, who is a kind soul, and my sister-in-law will stay at our place and
> care for Ace. Barrier Island, 7th floor, on the inner coastal, one block
> from the beach with two balconies and fully stocked with food. It was hard,
> I had to twist his arm pretty hard but he finely decided to leave Ohio in
> November for a week and come to Madeira Beach as a favor to me his only
> brother. What a guy. J
> 
> K&A
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:21:30 -0400
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> Sherry,
> 
> GDB only microchip the dogs now. When I went in June, I was told that
> they are no longer tattooing the dogs and only using chips to identify
> them.
> 
> Minh
> 
> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
>> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and
>> there
>> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
>> somewhere.
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. So
>>> perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic it
>>> would
>>> be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also create a market
>> for
>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would
>>> take
>>> time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their vet
>>> install
>>> the chip. Just another thought.
>>> 
>>> Ken & Ace
>>> 
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> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:42:35 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> Oooo. I don't like it. Thank goodness I expect Olga will be my last dog for
> personal reasons. I can't explain my reaction to chips, but the freak me out
> a lot.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> Sherry,
> 
> GDB only microchip the dogs now. When I went in June, I was told that
> they are no longer tattooing the dogs and only using chips to identify
> them.
> 
> Minh
> 
> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
>> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and
>> there
>> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
>> somewhere.
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. So
>>> perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic it
>>> would
>>> be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also create a market
>> for
>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would
>>> take
>>> time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their vet
>>> install
>>> the chip. Just another thought.
>>> 
>>> Ken & Ace
>>> 
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> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:08:15 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Implant reader!
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> hi i think that isn't a good idea,
> i think it is about my safely.
> but those are my thoughts.
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
> 
>> I believe that businesseds should expect to be aware of service animals, what services they typically perform, what types are allowed in their place of business, and that they should then act accordingly. There would still be people slipping through the cracks, but that's going to be a given, just as you still have problems even though people are required in many businesses to take sexual harassment courses. I do not want to have a reader to haul around to prove I have a service animal. It would be easier to show an ID, and if you fly, that would be another concern at the security checks. And, of course, for our benefit and that of all other service animal handlers, I think we need to make sure that, to the extent possible, our animal is behaving above reproach, or if it has a slip up, we are on it in a nanosecond. I would hate to have additional hassles. There are already plenty enough of those to go around already.
>> 
>> Cindy Lou
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 1:01 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Another thought. What if each of us had a implant reader and say it told the
>>> business owner where to pass the reader over the dog to get the response. If
>>> you don't have a reader you don't have a service animal, and the chip could
>>> have all kinds of information if you wanted to be included i.e. emergency
>>> medical info. Just one more thought.
>>> 
>>> Ken & Ace
>>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:13:15 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <001401ce9b97$04a82b20$0df88160$@acenovels.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in listening to
> members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th, 5th or 6th dog.
> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
> 
> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I could
> expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly can't imagine
> another dog.
> 
> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to perfect.
> 
> K&A
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:35:45 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <C27B483C-4ACE-4331-BF1E-EA5280BE955F at brannan.name>
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> 
> So, I?m really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years, while this may be something your dog can deliver, I?d say that in general, this isn?t, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal observations as long as I?ve been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer than 10 years, don?t by any means feel cheated. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in listening to
>> members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th, 5th or 6th dog.
>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>> 
>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I could
>> expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly can't imagine
>> another dog.
>> 
>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to perfect.
>> 
>> K&A
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 15:43:41 -0700
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <6A5E5D40774A4B1F8585AEB13D29A2A0 at NicoleDell>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Also, some people may have had one or two dogs more than some other people
> because some of their dogs had to be retired early for whatever reason. How
> long a dog works also depends largely on the individual dog. For example, I
> think that certain breeds may be more likely to develop physical medical
> problems that would shorten their careers.
> 
> Nicole 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:36 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> 
> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years
> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic
> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute
> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked
> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
> 5th or 6th dog.
>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>> 
>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I 
>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly 
>> can't imagine another dog.
>> 
>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
> perfect.
>> 
>> K&A
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:43:06 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <002101ce9b9b$301e6ea0$905b4be0$@acenovels.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I truly appreciate your candor. I have bonded sooo closely to this being I
> just can't imagine my life without him. I know how that sounds and I am not
> prone to depression, I am a DAV with 50 surgeries under my belt so I can
> handle adversity like the rest of us. But this dog is truly special.
> Thanks,
> K&A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> 
> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years
> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic
> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute
> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked
> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
> 5th or 6th dog.
>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>> 
>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I 
>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly 
>> can't imagine another dog.
>> 
>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
> perfect.
>> 
>> K&A
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>> e
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:51:07 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
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> 
> I was going to say something like what Buddy and Nicole just said. My dogs
> have worked maybe an average of between 6 and a half and seven and a half
> years. But my first dog was returned after a year, another dog ended up
> being just too soft to handle the busy city I lived in, one dog was a
> complete mismatch and was returned after two months, and one dog had to
> retire after about three or four years due to stress. And to clarify, my
> first dog got a lot of interference from my then stepmother and totally lost
> her bond to me. Due to my other disabilities, I need very soft and yet
> confident dogs. It's possible to find them, but they do also burn out faster
> because they are soft natured. My life is a lot quieter now since I work
> from home, so maybe Olga will break the pattern and work longer. 
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Ace
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> 
> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in listening to
> members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th, 5th or 6th dog.
> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
> 
> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I could
> expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly can't imagine
> another dog.
> 
> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to perfect.
> 
> K&A
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:52:50 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <F7D9F818-7B72-408E-A8D5-7EC396A409EC at gmail.com>
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> 
> I had three dogs out of my six that did not work out. One was older when I got her. I think she worked for about six years and the other one that I had longer term was about eight years. Some people have dogs longer; some shorter. I'm guessing 7-9 working years. They might work until they are 9-10, which would give you 7 or 8 years, but a lot would depend on the stress they are under and a variety of things.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:13 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in listening to
>> members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th, 5th or 6th dog.
>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>> 
>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I could
>> expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly can't imagine
>> another dog.
>> 
>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to perfect.
>> 
>> K&A
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:07:12 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <002601ce9b9e$8e592cf0$ab0b86d0$@acenovels.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> You guys are great, thanks. I feel somewhat better as I don't think I put a
> great deal of stress on Ace. He gets pretty close to Royal treatment and we
> work most every day and he gets groomed once a week. He gets treated like a
> king at the American Legion, the VA Nursing  Home, the Yacht & Tennis club
> with occasional walks on the beach. GOD I hope I'm not stressing him out.
> K&A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:53 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> 
> I had three dogs out of my six that did not work out. One was older when I
> got her. I think she worked for about six years and the other one that I had
> longer term was about eight years. Some people have dogs longer; some
> shorter. I'm guessing 7-9 working years. They might work until they are
> 9-10, which would give you 7 or 8 years, but a lot would depend on the
> stress they are under and a variety of things.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:13 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
> 5th or 6th dog.
>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>> 
>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I 
>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly 
>> can't imagine another dog.
>> 
>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
> perfect.
>> 
>> K&A
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:16:48 -0400
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
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> 
> I also think that a lot of the pure bred dogs may have limited geen pools. 
> I've noticed that some folks have a lot of health issues and that a lot of 
> there dogs are pure bred. I'm hoping that Holly will give me a couple more 
> years because I'm depending on her mixed breeding.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> 
> 
>> Also, some people may have had one or two dogs more than some other people
>> because some of their dogs had to be retired early for whatever reason. 
>> How
>> long a dog works also depends largely on the individual dog. For example, 
>> I
>> think that certain breeds may be more likely to develop physical medical
>> problems that would shorten their careers.
>> 
>> Nicole
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:36 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>> 
>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
>> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
>> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
>> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
>> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 
>> years
>> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
>> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more 
>> hectic
>> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all 
>> contribute
>> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each 
>> worked
>> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
>> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
>> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in
>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>> 
>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I
>>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly
>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>> perfect.
>>> 
>>> K&A
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
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>>> e
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 16:20:14 -0700
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <5210052E.2090705 at poodlemutt.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Ken,
> 
> I'm on my first guide, and I know *exactly* how you feel! I got her when 
> she was 7 months and ended up training her to be a guide dog because she 
> had "the right stuff." So I got to spend an awfully long time wondering 
> if she was every going to grow up enough to really take on the job... 
> Then I noticed she had and have been worrying she is getting old ever 
> since... That can't happen! The good thing is that it reminds me to 
> appreciate her every day and savor our time together. From knowing all 
> these long-time guide dog users, I've come to understand that a real 
> "heart dog" is not necessarily the norm.
> 
> She's been working since she was 2 and turned 7 this summer, so I am 
> figuring on another 2 to 3 years of her working life. Poodles seem to 
> have longer life spans than other large breeds, so I'm planning around 
> an 8 to 10 year working life for her, with a nice long retirement when 
> she's ready. I want to owner-train again, and it's weird somehow to 
> think about a "replacement for Mitzi." How can she need a replacement 
> since she will never grow old?
> 
> I am a silly sap! And, like you, I feel privileged to have the time with 
> a dog that works so well and that I can love so much.
> 
> Tami
> 
> On 08/17/2013 03:43 PM, Ken Ace wrote:
>> I truly appreciate your candor. I have bonded sooo closely to this being I
>> just can't imagine my life without him. I know how that sounds and I am not
>> prone to depression, I am a DAV with 50 surgeries under my belt so I can
>> handle adversity like the rest of us. But this dog is truly special.
>> Thanks,
>> K&A
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:36 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>> 
>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
>> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
>> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
>> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
>> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years
>> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
>> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic
>> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute
>> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked
>> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
>> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
>> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in
>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>> 
>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I
>>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly
>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>> perfect.
>>> 
>>> K&A
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
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>>> e
>> 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:24:20 -0400
> From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <9D1D6325-B93B-450B-9B6E-2C13BE5310ED at brannan.name>
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> Believe me, I understand. There?s always that one special dog, and none is like your first. 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I truly appreciate your candor. I have bonded sooo closely to this being I
>> just can't imagine my life without him. I know how that sounds and I am not
>> prone to depression, I am a DAV with 50 surgeries under my belt so I can
>> handle adversity like the rest of us. But this dog is truly special.
>> Thanks,
>> K&A
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:36 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>> 
>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
>> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
>> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
>> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
>> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years
>> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
>> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic
>> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute
>> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked
>> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
>> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
>> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated. 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>> 
>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I 
>>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly 
>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>> perfect.
>>> 
>>> K&A
>>> 
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> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:21:16 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
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> 
> God bless you Tami, you nailed it.
> K&A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:20 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> 
> Ken,
> 
> I'm on my first guide, and I know *exactly* how you feel! I got her when she
> was 7 months and ended up training her to be a guide dog because she had
> "the right stuff." So I got to spend an awfully long time wondering if she
> was every going to grow up enough to really take on the job... 
> Then I noticed she had and have been worrying she is getting old ever
> since... That can't happen! The good thing is that it reminds me to
> appreciate her every day and savor our time together. From knowing all these
> long-time guide dog users, I've come to understand that a real "heart dog"
> is not necessarily the norm.
> 
> She's been working since she was 2 and turned 7 this summer, so I am
> figuring on another 2 to 3 years of her working life. Poodles seem to have
> longer life spans than other large breeds, so I'm planning around an 8 to 10
> year working life for her, with a nice long retirement when she's ready. I
> want to owner-train again, and it's weird somehow to think about a
> "replacement for Mitzi." How can she need a replacement since she will never
> grow old?
> 
> I am a silly sap! And, like you, I feel privileged to have the time with a
> dog that works so well and that I can love so much.
> 
> Tami
> 
> On 08/17/2013 03:43 PM, Ken Ace wrote:
>> I truly appreciate your candor. I have bonded sooo closely to this 
>> being I just can't imagine my life without him. I know how that sounds 
>> and I am not prone to depression, I am a DAV with 50 surgeries under 
>> my belt so I can handle adversity like the rest of us. But this dog is
> truly special.
>> Thanks,
>> K&A
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy 
>> Brannan
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:36 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>> 
>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for 
>> an average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 
>> years, while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that 
>> in general, this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and 
>> informal observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me 
>> that 6-8 years is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well 
>> have been the norm in days past, a combination of generally softer 
>> dogs, plus faster, more hectic and stressful working conditions, 
>> quieter and faster traffic, all contribute to on average shorter 
>> working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked roughly 6 and a 
>> half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have gotten that 
>> amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer than 10
> years, don't by any means feel cheated.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 
>>> 4th,
>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>> 
>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that 
>>> I could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly 
>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>> perfect.
>>> 
>>> K&A
>>> 
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:35:12 -0400
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> 
> I'm curious, do you prefer the tattoos over the microchips? For me,
> the tattoos freak me out a lot more because I hate needles and I
> wouldn't want to subject any dog to those horrible things. :)
> 
> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oooo. I don't like it. Thank goodness I expect Olga will be my last dog for
>> personal reasons. I can't explain my reaction to chips, but the freak me
>> out
>> a lot.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> Sherry,
>> 
>> GDB only microchip the dogs now. When I went in June, I was told that
>> they are no longer tattooing the dogs and only using chips to identify
>> them.
>> 
>> Minh
>> 
>> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
>>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
>>> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>>> 
>>> Sherry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>>> 
>>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and
>>> there
>>> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
>>> somewhere.
>>> CL
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. So
>>>> perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic it
>>>> would
>>>> be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also create a market
>>> for
>>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would
>>>> take
>>>> time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their vet
>>>> install
>>>> the chip. Just another thought.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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> 
> 
> -- 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:43:25 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <8B5D4C40-3FD4-4055-8A54-F88EBBFD6441 at gmail.com>
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> 
> Mainly, it is traffic situations that would be likely to stress out your dog out, and, of course, being live animals, they are subject to unforseen illnesses, but my dog, for instance, doesn't do a lot of work really. Only thing I can imagine that this could create would be the idea in his head that he has the good life so why work, but I think he does a good job.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:07 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> You guys are great, thanks. I feel somewhat better as I don't think I put a
>> great deal of stress on Ace. He gets pretty close to Royal treatment and we
>> work most every day and he gets groomed once a week. He gets treated like a
>> king at the American Legion, the VA Nursing  Home, the Yacht & Tennis club
>> with occasional walks on the beach. GOD I hope I'm not stressing him out.
>> K&A
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:53 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>> 
>> I had three dogs out of my six that did not work out. One was older when I
>> got her. I think she worked for about six years and the other one that I had
>> longer term was about eight years. Some people have dogs longer; some
>> shorter. I'm guessing 7-9 working years. They might work until they are
>> 9-10, which would give you 7 or 8 years, but a lot would depend on the
>> stress they are under and a variety of things.
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:13 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>> 
>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I 
>>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly 
>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>> perfect.
>>> 
>>> K&A
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:45:06 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> That could be, but at least some of the schools do a lot of genetic work, too. Anyway, I'm hoping for eight years anyway because Fisher is the end of the road for me.
> 
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:16 PM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> I also think that a lot of the pure bred dogs may have limited geen pools. I've noticed that some folks have a lot of health issues and that a lot of there dogs are pure bred. I'm hoping that Holly will give me a couple more years because I'm depending on her mixed breeding.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>> 
>> 
>>> Also, some people may have had one or two dogs more than some other people
>>> because some of their dogs had to be retired early for whatever reason. How
>>> long a dog works also depends largely on the individual dog. For example, I
>>> think that certain breeds may be more likely to develop physical medical
>>> problems that would shorten their careers.
>>> 
>>> Nicole
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:36 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>>> 
>>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
>>> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
>>> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
>>> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
>>> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years
>>> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
>>> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic
>>> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute
>>> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked
>>> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
>>> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
>>> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in
>>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
>>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>>> 
>>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I
>>>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly
>>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>>> perfect.
>>>> 
>>>> K&A
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> e
>>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:46:07 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <A2837613-A9C7-43EA-9BF4-8F857E632A6D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Oh, I had a way better dog than my first. I might have to agree there was none like her though. LOL.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
> 
>> Believe me, I understand. There?s always that one special dog, and none is like your first. 
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I truly appreciate your candor. I have bonded sooo closely to this being I
>>> just can't imagine my life without him. I know how that sounds and I am not
>>> prone to depression, I am a DAV with 50 surgeries under my belt so I can
>>> handle adversity like the rest of us. But this dog is truly special.
>>> Thanks,
>>> K&A
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:36 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>>> 
>>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
>>> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
>>> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
>>> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
>>> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years
>>> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
>>> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic
>>> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute
>>> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked
>>> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
>>> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
>>> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated. 
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
>>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>>> 
>>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I 
>>>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly 
>>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>>> perfect.
>>>> 
>>>> K&A
>>>> 
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 18:48:55 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> They do them in the ear. The chips don't really hurt any more than a shot, and they are long lasting. When you go to the vet, they test them to see they are still working. I tried using my IDMate to see if I could read his bar code, but I couldn't.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:35 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm curious, do you prefer the tattoos over the microchips? For me,
>> the tattoos freak me out a lot more because I hate needles and I
>> wouldn't want to subject any dog to those horrible things. :)
>> 
>> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Oooo. I don't like it. Thank goodness I expect Olga will be my last dog for
>>> personal reasons. I can't explain my reaction to chips, but the freak me
>>> out
>>> a lot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>>> 
>>> Sherry,
>>> 
>>> GDB only microchip the dogs now. When I went in June, I was told that
>>> they are no longer tattooing the dogs and only using chips to identify
>>> them.
>>> 
>>> Minh
>>> 
>>> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
>>>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
>>>> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>>>> 
>>>> Sherry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>>>> 
>>>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and
>>>> there
>>>> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> CL
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. So
>>>>> perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic it
>>>>> would
>>>>> be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also create a market
>>>> for
>>>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would
>>>>> take
>>>>> time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their vet
>>>>> install
>>>>> the chip. Just another thought.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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>> 
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>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:52:09 -0400
> From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
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> Listers, 
> 
> Although the discussion on list is very interesting. Remember it is NOT necessary to respond to every single post. Make each and every one of your posts count by combining messages about a similar topic in one email. Remember there is a 5 posts per day limit, and some of you have already exceeded that limit for today. 
> 
> Thank you for your cooperation, 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:45:05 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> Message-ID: <002a01ce9ba3$d90cc3b0$8b264b10$@acenovels.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> End of the road WHY?
> K&A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:45 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
> 
> That could be, but at least some of the schools do a lot of genetic work,
> too. Anyway, I'm hoping for eight years anyway because Fisher is the end of
> the road for me.
> 
> Cindy Lou
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:16 PM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> I also think that a lot of the pure bred dogs may have limited geen pools.
> I've noticed that some folks have a lot of health issues and that a lot of
> there dogs are pure bred. I'm hoping that Holly will give me a couple more
> years because I'm depending on her mixed breeding.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole Torcolini" 
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>> 
>> 
>>> Also, some people may have had one or two dogs more than some other 
>>> people because some of their dogs had to be retired early for 
>>> whatever reason. How long a dog works also depends largely on the 
>>> individual dog. For example, I think that certain breeds may be more 
>>> likely to develop physical medical problems that would shorten their
> careers.
>>> 
>>> Nicole
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy 
>>> Brannan
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:36 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>>> 
>>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations 
>>> for an average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 
>>> 10 years, while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say 
>>> that in general, this isn't, on average, very realistic. My 
>>> experience, and informal observations as long as I've been a guide 
>>> dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years is more realistic. While I think 
>>> 8-10 years may well have been the norm in days past, a combination of 
>>> generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic and stressful working 
>>> conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute to on average 
>>> shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked roughly 
>>> 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have 
>>> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get
> fewer than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in 
>>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 
>>>> 4th,
>>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>>> 
>>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that 
>>>> I could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and 
>>>> frankly can't imagine another dog.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>>> perfect.
>>>> 
>>>> K&A
>>>> 
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:48:26 -0400
> From: "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com>
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>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> Woops!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:52 PM
> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] Make your posts count
> 
> Listers, 
> 
> Although the discussion on list is very interesting. Remember it is NOT
> necessary to respond to every single post. Make each and every one of your
> posts count by combining messages about a similar topic in one email.
> Remember there is a 5 posts per day limit, and some of you have already
> exceeded that limit for today. 
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> 
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> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 17:56:04 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> Message-ID: <011201ce9ba5$564143f0$02c3cbd0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I don't really think about the tattoos. People often can't read them anyway.
> But I feel strongly about chipping, inserting a foreign body into my dog so
> it can be tracked. Freaks me out bad. Too many suspense novels or something.
> I figure tattoos aren't like branding at least. No, I know chips aren't
> branding either of course. It's just not something I like. It's been forced
> on me when I adopt cats, and I hate it then too. 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:35 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> I'm curious, do you prefer the tattoos over the microchips? For me,
> the tattoos freak me out a lot more because I hate needles and I
> wouldn't want to subject any dog to those horrible things. :)
> 
> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oooo. I don't like it. Thank goodness I expect Olga will be my last dog
> for
>> personal reasons. I can't explain my reaction to chips, but the freak me
>> out
>> a lot.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> Sherry,
>> 
>> GDB only microchip the dogs now. When I went in June, I was told that
>> they are no longer tattooing the dogs and only using chips to identify
>> them.
>> 
>> Minh
>> 
>> On 8/17/13, Sherry Gomes <sherriola at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
>>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
>>> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>>> 
>>> Sherry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>>> 
>>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and
>>> there
>>> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
>>> somewhere.
>>> CL
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. So
>>>> perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic it
>>>> would
>>>> be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also create a market
>>> for
>>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would
>>>> take
>>>> time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their vet
>>>> install
>>>> the chip. Just another thought.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 29
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:09:59 -0500
> From: "daniel" <gutz2020 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> Message-ID: <000c01ce9baf$a97767c0$fc663740$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> My dog has both. And apparently you have to have a chip if you travel to
> some countries. Not really sure why though..guess it's just this world
> moving to a more tech oriented world.
> 
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:55 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and there
> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
> somewhere.
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
> 
>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. 
>> So perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic 
>> it would be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also 
>> create a market
> for
>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would 
>> take time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their 
>> vet install the chip. Just another thought.
>> 
>> Ken & Ace
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>> m
> 
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> Message: 30
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:09:30 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> Well, the chips are the best way to loccate the dog if it should get lost, better than tattoos.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "daniel" <gutz2020 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> My dog has both. And apparently you have to have a chip if you travel to
>> some countries. Not really sure why though..guess it's just this world
>> moving to a more tech oriented world.
>> 
>> Dan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:55 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not
>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's a
>> sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and there
>> is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your vet or
>> somewhere.
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. 
>>> So perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic 
>>> it would be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also 
>>> create a market
>> for
>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would 
>>> take time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their 
>>> vet install the chip. Just another thought.
>>> 
>>> Ken & Ace
>>> 
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> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 19:52:24 -0700
> From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> To expand on that, most humane societies look for the chips, and most people
> know to ask about them if they find a dog. In contrast, most people don't
> notice or know to look for the tattoos. If they do happen to notice them,
> they most likely won't know what in the world they are, with it being an
> indicator that the dog is a guide dog probably being the last thing on their
> mind.
>     I got Lexia before GDB started micro chipping. However, I got her
> one.
> 
> Nicole and Lexia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:10 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> Well, the chips are the best way to loccate the dog if it should get lost,
> better than tattoos.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "daniel" <gutz2020 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> My dog has both. And apparently you have to have a chip if you travel 
>> to some countries. Not really sure why though..guess it's just this 
>> world moving to a more tech oriented world.
>> 
>> Dan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry 
>> Gomes
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:55 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not 
>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's 
>> a sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and 
>> there is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your 
>> vet or somewhere.
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. 
>>> So perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic 
>>> it would be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also 
>>> create a market
>> for
>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would 
>>> take time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their 
>>> vet install the chip. Just another thought.
>>> 
>>> Ken & Ace
>>> 
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> Message: 32
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 21:59:20 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
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>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> Of course it is a good idea to have a tag on the dog whether you have tattoos. I lost a dog once, or at least I gave her to someone who moved to Arizona and she lost her. She was located, and the person who found her called the vet on the rabbies tag.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> 
>> To expand on that, most humane societies look for the chips, and most people
>> know to ask about them if they find a dog. In contrast, most people don't
>> notice or know to look for the tattoos. If they do happen to notice them,
>> they most likely won't know what in the world they are, with it being an
>> indicator that the dog is a guide dog probably being the last thing on their
>> mind.
>>     I got Lexia before GDB started micro chipping. However, I got her
>> one.
>> 
>> Nicole and Lexia
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:10 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> Well, the chips are the best way to loccate the dog if it should get lost,
>> better than tattoos.
>> 
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "daniel" <gutz2020 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> My dog has both. And apparently you have to have a chip if you travel 
>>> to some countries. Not really sure why though..guess it's just this 
>>> world moving to a more tech oriented world.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry 
>>> Gomes
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:55 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>>> 
>>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not 
>>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's 
>>> a sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>>> 
>>> Sherry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>>> 
>>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and 
>>> there is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your 
>>> vet or somewhere.
>>> CL
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. 
>>>> So perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic 
>>>> it would be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also 
>>>> create a market
>>> for
>>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would 
>>>> take time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their 
>>>> vet install the chip. Just another thought.
>>>> 
>>>> Ken & Ace
>>>> 
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> Message: 33
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:58:31 -0700
> From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>     <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
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> hi i'm on my first dog.
> and she is all ready 6 years old.
> we've been a team for 4 years old.
> i will get another dog when the time comes to  do the forms again.
> but it won't be for a wile.
> 
> i'm enjoying our time together.
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Tami Jarvis wrote:
> 
>> Ken,
>> 
>> I'm on my first guide, and I know *exactly* how you feel! I got her when she was 7 months and ended up training her to be a guide dog because she had "the right stuff." So I got to spend an awfully long time wondering if she was every going to grow up enough to really take on the job... Then I noticed she had and have been worrying she is getting old ever since... That can't happen! The good thing is that it reminds me to appreciate her every day and savor our time together. From knowing all these long-time guide dog users, I've come to understand that a real "heart dog" is not necessarily the norm.
>> 
>> She's been working since she was 2 and turned 7 this summer, so I am figuring on another 2 to 3 years of her working life. Poodles seem to have longer life spans than other large breeds, so I'm planning around an 8 to 10 year working life for her, with a nice long retirement when she's ready. I want to owner-train again, and it's weird somehow to think about a "replacement for Mitzi." How can she need a replacement since she will never grow old?
>> 
>> I am a silly sap! And, like you, I feel privileged to have the time with a dog that works so well and that I can love so much.
>> 
>> Tami
>> 
>> On 08/17/2013 03:43 PM, Ken Ace wrote:
>>> I truly appreciate your candor. I have bonded sooo closely to this being I
>>> just can't imagine my life without him. I know how that sounds and I am not
>>> prone to depression, I am a DAV with 50 surgeries under my belt so I can
>>> handle adversity like the rest of us. But this dog is truly special.
>>> Thanks,
>>> K&A
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:36 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
>>> 
>>> So, I'm really not sure why schools are still setting expectations for an
>>> average working life of 8-10 years. If you ere told to expect 10 years,
>>> while this may be something your dog can deliver, I'd say that in general,
>>> this isn't, on average, very realistic. My experience, and informal
>>> observations as long as I've been a guide dog owner, tells me that 6-8 years
>>> is more realistic. While I think 8-10 years may well have been the norm in
>>> days past, a combination of generally softer dogs, plus faster, more hectic
>>> and stressful working conditions, quieter and faster traffic, all contribute
>>> to on average shorter working careers. Both of my previous dogs each worked
>>> roughly 6 and a half years each, and I felt privileged and pleased to have
>>> gotten that amount of service from them. So, just saying, if you get fewer
>>> than 10 years, don't by any means feel cheated.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Ken Ace <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I was going to wait till tomorrow to broach this subject but in
>>>> listening to members I have noticed that several of you are on your 4th,
>>> 5th or 6th dog.
>>>> Ace will be four in Jan. and I sincerely hope he out lives me.
>>>> 
>>>> How long have your dogs lasted in service. I was led to believe that I
>>>> could expect ten good years of service. I am pushing 73 and frankly
>>>> can't imagine another dog.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps I was very lucky in getting Ace because he is very close to
>>> perfect.
>>>> 
>>>> K&A
>>>> 
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> Message: 34
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 22:17:31 -0600
> From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>     Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
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> I definitely know the purpose of micro chips, but I don't like it  anyway.
> I'm seriously uncomfortable with the idea of putting something like that in
> a living being. My reasons have nothing to doth logic or benefit to the
> animals or anything else. And they aren't on topic for the list so I won't
> go into them. My dogs do have tags on their collars. I remember from when I
> worked at GDB that the way most lost guide dogs or puppies got identified
> was from those tags. It's the first thing the average person would look for.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:52 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> To expand on that, most humane societies look for the chips, and most people
> know to ask about them if they find a dog. In contrast, most people don't
> notice or know to look for the tattoos. If they do happen to notice them,
> they most likely won't know what in the world they are, with it being an
> indicator that the dog is a guide dog probably being the last thing on their
> mind.
>     I got Lexia before GDB started micro chipping. However, I got her
> one.
> 
> Nicole and Lexia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 7:10 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
> 
> Well, the chips are the best way to loccate the dog if it should get lost,
> better than tattoos.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:09 PM, "daniel" <gutz2020 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> My dog has both. And apparently you have to have a chip if you travel 
>> to some countries. Not really sure why though..guess it's just this 
>> world moving to a more tech oriented world.
>> 
>> Dan
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherry 
>> Gomes
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:55 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> Last I knew, GDB only chipped if requested. And I would definitely not 
>> request it. I'm deeply opposed to the whole idea for some reason. It's 
>> a sort of knee jerk thing with me. Lol.
>> 
>> Sherry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID's/ Implants!
>> 
>> TSE microchips if you want them to. I don't think they require it, and 
>> there is a charge, though cheaper than when you get it done at your 
>> vet or somewhere.
>> CL
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Ken Ace" <ken at acenovels.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe most all Guide Dog Schools implant chips in their animals. 
>>> So perhaps a chip implanted in our animals although more problematic 
>>> it would be permanent and would solve the problem. It would also 
>>> create a market
>> for
>>> a small inexpensive hand held reader for the business owner. It would 
>>> take time but most everything would. Self trainers could have their 
>>> vet install the chip. Just another thought.
>>> 
>>> Ken & Ace
>>> 
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>>> m
>> 
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> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 12:54:28 +0200
> From: Leye-Shprintse ?berg <leyeshprintse at ymail.com>
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> In Sweden, our guide dogs are both tattoed and microchipped. I've no problem with the microchip. If you want to travel overseas here your dog need to be microchipped, has an EU-passport and been vaccinated against rabies. I think it's recommended to microchip your dogs here, cats are generally tattoed.
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> Message: 36
> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 13:02:25 +0200
> From: Leye-Shprintse ?berg <leyeshprintse at ymail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Number of DOGS!
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> In Sweden, our dogs get qualified as guide dogs between the age of 2 and 3 and many work until an old age. We don't have the tradition of retire our dogs because of age only. Actually, I'm against this. I'd love Hera to have a nice retirement and I hope I'll able to give her that. It's just how I feel tough...
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> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:04:28 -0500
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> Oh, dogs are not retired here specifically because of age either. Age would not be a factor that would make any sense in a dog. They are usually retired because of health, or often because of demeanor--behaviors that have cropped up that were abnormal. Dogs often tell you when they need to retire.
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>> In Sweden, our dogs get qualified as guide dogs between the age of 2 and 3 and many work until an old age. We don't have the tradition of retire our dogs because of age only. Actually, I'm against this. I'd love Hera to have a nice retirement and I hope I'll able to give her that. It's just how I feel tough...
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