[nagdu] What about registering service dogs with the DOJ?

[Snow White Dove]

Hi,

I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but how can we make sure that service dogs are legitimate if we don't have some way to certify them.  

You can't have it both ways.  How would you penalize people with dogs that aren't legitimate service dogs without some sort of putting them to the test.

I personally would have no problem with having my fogs certified if it cuts down on fraudulent service animals.

JMO,

Jenny  
On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:32 AM, "Margo Downey and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:

> I do not think we need to register our dogs with the DOJ. I'm wondering why
> there is so much focus on the dogs themselves and legitimate handlers,
> including owner-trainers.  We need to have stiff penalties for those who
> fraudulently use dogs as service animals who are not service animals.  
> 
> I also disagree with certification testing and evaluations.  We have gone
> over and over this for a long time.  Certification evaluations would serve
> no great purpose.
> 
> Margoa ndArrow
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:41 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] What about registering service dogs with the DOJ?
> 
> Again, why?  This is really about you and me having rights, not the animal.
> The present regulations under the ADA offer a way to  determine whether or
> not an aanimal fits the requirements.  If there is a suspicion that the
> animal is not a service animal then something can be done.
> 
> I submit that the penalties for fraudulent representation by individuals of
> service animals is the real problem.  We need federal and state laws changed
> to make it a felany to misrepresent and interfere with legitimate service
> animals.  I do NOT want ANY new identification process for me or my dog.
> The problem and burden of proof should not be with me nor you.  The burden
> should fall and the criminals.
> 
> There is abundant proof that owner trained animals can and do function well
> as guides.  How are they going to be included in any identification process?
> If the standards of the International Federation of Guide Dog Schools are
> used how will non-accredited schools such as Pilot Dogs going to be
> represented?  Do we want the NFB to be the gating organization?  I think no
> to all of these things.
> 
> Put the burden on the criminals and make the consiquences stiff.  If we want
> true first class citizenship then let's demand that we be treated
> appropriately and not segregated off through some additional identification
> or classification process which only serves to again make us seem different
> and not part of the norm. 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Michael Hingson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mardi Hadfield
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:30 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] What about registering service dogs with the DOJ?
> 
> First of all I am not in favor of any type of certification. I do think
> registration identification might be the way to go.If the DOJ could be in
> charge of handing out a specific type of service dog tag at a fee of say,
> $10 to register your service dog.Say you must have a letter from your doctor
> that you do indeed have a disability and a certificate from your trainer,or
> in the case of an owner trainer,a log of the hours of training you
> accomplished and a list of the tasks the dog does to mitigate your
> disability,and or maybe the Canine Good Citizen test in order to register
> with the DOJ.If you have a School trained dog and wanted to register with
> the DOJ, maybe the school ID would be the only proof you would need for
> registration.This would not be mandatory, but only if you wanted to register
> your service dog.I don't think that people who fake their dogs would go
> through all that for a registration ID tag.This would Identify a DOJ
> registered service dog.There might be some fakes that get through but it
> would certainly cut down on them.If the tag were to get lost, a fee of
> $5 could be charged to get a replacement tag.This is merely a suggestion.
> Mardi and Shaman and Neechee,GDIT.
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