[nagdu] PTSD dogs (was Family Upset After Dog Removed From Eatery)

Mon Aug 26 18:55:53 UTC 2013

I heard a vet talking about his dog on the radio, too, a while back.  Some
of the things his dog does is to go ahead of him in a store and look
around the corners, and alert him if someone is there, so that he's not
startled by people popping out suddenly.  The dog also gets between him
and strangers waiting behind him in line, which assures him of some space.
Tracy

> I really haven't heard much real life discussion of what these dogs do, so
> I find this very interesting. I am glad I asked the question.
>
> Cindy
>
> On Aug 25, 2013, at 5:29 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> 	It was very synchronistic that I listened to a public service
>> program this morning on the radio about a service animal training
>> program in
>> Florida that specializes in PTSD dogs. During the program, one of the
>> participants was talking about his PTSD and became very anxious. The dog
>> jumped up and started licking his face to ground him. One of the things
>> he
>> said was that he had a stress-induced panic attack once in a Target
>> store
>> and, after getting grounded, gave the "Out!" command and the dog led him
>> out
>> of the store. These are examples of task training that defines the dog
>> as a
>> service dog.
>>
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>> Carcione
>> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:22 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] PTSD dogs (was Family Upset After Dog Removed From
>> Eatery)
>>
>> I read somewhere, possibly here, that some PTSD service dogs are trained
>> to
>> lead their person out of a situation that has triggered a stress attack.
>> For example, if a person had an extreme anxiety attack in a store, the
>> person could hold onto his dog, close his eyes, and the dog would lead
>> him
>> safely outside.  I think this is something the GDF vet dogs are trained
>> to
>> do.  I thought it was pretty cool.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Family Upset After Dog Removed From Eatery
>>
>>
>>> OK, that makes sense. I really wasn't completely sure what tasks
>>> specifically were performed. Vets have been having a lot of trouble
>>> with
>>> this. I had read about this in books more than anything else and
>>> thought
>>> that this was pretty much what they do, but I really just needed to be
>>> clear about it.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:19 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some of the tasks service dogs that assist with PTSD are trained to
>>>> perform include intentionally making physical contact with the person,
>>>> alerting a person to the presence of someone else the individual may
>>>> not
>>>> be
>>>> aware of, and standing between a person, object, or sound that
>>>> triggers
>>>> the
>>>> stress response. As mentioned, these are actual tasks the dog has been
>>>> trained to perform that mitigates the disability.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, it is rather rare that a person with depression
>>>> or an anxiety disorder would be considered disabled under the
>>>> definition
>>>> of
>>>> the ADA. Only disabled individuals are protected by the provisions of
>>>> the
>>>> Act; therefore, the prime factor necessary for such protections is
>>>> missing,
>>>> invalidating any other claim for protection. Should a person bring a
>>>> claim
>>>> of disdcrimination under the ADA, the first element that would need to
>>>> be
>>>> proven is that the individual is a person with a disability. If this
>>>> cannot
>>>> be proven, the individual is not protected by the provisions of the
>>>> Act.
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> Hingson
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:11 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Family Upset After Dog Removed From Eatery
>>>>
>>>> The difference is that Vet Dogs are specially trained to perform a
>>>> service
>>>> and "emotional support dogs" are not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:50 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Family Upset After Dog Removed From Eatery
>>>>
>>>> How are emotional support dogs different from dogs who help vets with
>>>> post
>>>> traumatic stress syndrome? Is it because the dog can help such a
>>>> person
>>>> refocus if they get into an episode. I am sure I am using all wrong
>>>> terminology here.
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 24, 2013, at 8:35 AM, "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Family Upset After Dog Removed From Eatery
>>>>>
>>>>> by Jeff Rusack,
>>>>>
>>>>> August 23, 2013 8:13 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Source:
>>>>> http://www.kdlt.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29327&It
>>>>> emid=5
>>>>> 7
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One Sioux Falls' family is crying foul after they say they were
>>>>> discriminated against for having an emotional support dog at a fast
>>>>> food restaurant, Thursday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mocha may have brown fur but she seems to be in a grey area.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thursday afternoon when Alan Steele and his mother Edwina decided to
>>>>> dine in at a Sioux Falls Taco Bell, they were told to do something
>>>>> that surprised them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "We were asked if we were going to eat in. I said, 'yes, we are.' And
>>>>> he goes, 'I'm sorry. I can't allow you to do that,'" said Alan
>>>>> Steele.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Americans with Disabilities Act allows any service animal into
>>>>> just about any business.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "On the back it says that she is a part of the American Disabled Act
>>>>> of 1990," pointed out Steele.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mocha is titled as an emotional support dog. Mocha's owner, Edwina
>>>>> Steele suffers from depression and anxiety and can't take
>>>>> prescriptions due to a heart condition, as they tried to explain to
>>>>> the
>>>> Taco Bell staff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "She is a service animal, emotional support. And he goes, 'that
>>>>> doesn't matter,'" added Steele.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just because a dog has a vest on doesn't mean the dog is protected,"
>>>>> said Steve Slavik, the CEO of Big Paws Canine, a company that trains
>>>>> dogs for Veterans dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "What a service dog is and how it is defined, is a dog that is
>>>>> trained
>>>>> to perform work or perform a task for an individual with a
>>>>> disability," quoted Slavik from the American with Disabilities Act.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And the Steele's may be out of luck when trying to bring Mocha with
>>>>> them
>>>> to
>>>>> businesses with pet policies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dogs that wouldn't be protected are emotional support dogs and
>>>>> companion dogs. They are still considered pets and they are not
>>>>> defined in the protection of the ADA," added Slavik.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But, asking someone about their dog, when it comes to determining if
>>>>> they are indeed a service animal, can be tricky.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Businesses are only allowed to ask two questions when it comes to
>>>>> service dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the service animal required? And what work has the dog been
>>>>> trained
>>>>> to perform?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Businesses cannot ask what the owners disability is or for the owner
>>>>> to provide documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "If the dog is barking or being destructive to merchandise or going
>>>>> to
>>>>> the restroom on the floor, those types of things, even if it's a
>>>>> full-fledged
>>>>> 1,000 of hours training service dog, a service dog can be denied
>>>>> access,"
>>>>> added Slavik.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Steeles say there was no indication of any misbehavior at the
>>>>> Taco
>>>>> Bell, Thursday and they still hope for an apology from the
>>>>> restaurant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I would like for people to ask and understand before they criticize
>>>>> or discriminate against her," added Steele.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no doubt Mocha is a lovable pup. But, service dog experts say
>>>>> an emotional support dog has no protection when it comes to the
>>>>> Americans with Disabilities Act.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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