[nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)

Darla Rogers djrogers0628 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 27 04:53:11 UTC 2013 

Dear Shanna,
	Since I got to meet Huck's raisers, I learned a lot about his house
manners; the only issue he had was when I was with friends in Tulsa and he
had a re-development of a bacterial infection; thus, he couldn't always let
me know in time, so back on leash, or in a crate, he went.  Bacterial
infection gone, no house manners issues.
	We have been home since July 13th, I believe it was.
Darla & Huck who want6s to be close to me whenever he can


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shanna Stichler
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:43 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Changing the rules when you get home (was I'm back)

I learned the hard way about keeping the dog on-leash for the first 4-6
weeks. My first dog still would've had house behavior problems, but even so,
all new dogs have to earn the privilege of being free in the house.

Shanna and Diamond, who just recently earned her freedom On 8/26/2013 8:54
AM, Snow White Dove wrote:
> There are about four people from my class that are not following the keep
the dog on leash for at least four and just to be sure, six weeks.
>
> Some of them are already having house manners issues.  As I did this with
Brooks too, I know it makes a huge difference, and know that others who are
experienced guide dog handlers say that's the best way to insure good house
manners.
>
> I have another four weeks with Shasta, as I've been home for two weeks and
a few days now.
>
> I did extend it to the six weeks cause I wanted to be really sure that we
had everything under control and he knew his boundaries.
>
> JMO,
>
> Jenny s
> On Aug 22, 2013, at 10:20 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
wrote:
>
>> I usually change the rules when I get home, if I find the school rules
aren't working for me.  I say, give the school rules a fair try, because
they may have some real value, but chuck them if they don't work for me.
>> One example is what I think of as the TSE pirouette, a maneuver for
opening a door and going through it with the dog.  I gave it a fair try at
the school, but shortly after I got home I went back to the way I'd been
doing things and totally forgot it.
>> Another example is that, many years ago, GDB taught that I should heel
the dog off of a bus.  I did that, until I stepped into a hole, or smashed
into a pole right outside the door--I'm sure both these things
happened--then I decided it was a stupid thing to do and have worked the dog
off the bus ever since.
>> IMO, while many of the rules I've been taught in class do have value,
some others seem to have been made up by people with no practical experience
in the world I live in, and I will use my good judgement to decide which are
which.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Leigland" 
>> <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>
>>
>>> hi lyn well stated. I know a handler that goes out of the way to do
everything differently than the school trains to do. I do know that some
things work better for some dogs than others but the principles are still
the same.
>>> On 8/21/2013 11:41 AM, L Gwizdak wrote:
>>>> Hi Chantel,
>>>> I don't think Jenny said that ALL Pilot grads were idiots. LOL! I've
seen my share of poor handlers since 1971!  they came from all schools.
Part of what I've seen is that grads will sometimes decide that the school
is full of crap when the school asks you to do things in a certain way when
you get home with a new dog.  the grad blows off the school and does things
as they please - not realizing that the school tells you things because they
do really know better what has worked and not worked for grads when they get
home.
>>>>
>>>> At TSE, EVERYTHING done has a purpose!  Even the simple things like
going to the dining room for meals.  At lunch time, all the employees and
guests have lunch with us during the week.  For us students, they have us
come in after the staff and guests are already eating and they are seated
near the door in the first section of the dining room.  We are required to
work our dogs past these tables with people eating at them.  This
arrangement sets up a situation that we will find when we go to restaurants.
Every day, we are practicing how to work the dogs in a restaurant type
setting.  In lecture, our dogs are in harness and lying quietly at our feet.
This is like if wwe were at a meeting we would go to when we get home.
>>>>
>>>> I do think some schools are more thorouogh in some things than other
schools.  I see that some other schools do not place a premium on getting
dogs out of the way when we are sitting in a meeting where we sit at tables.
Some of the dog users just let their dogs lie on the floor in the way where
they get tripped over.  The Seeing Eye is a real stickler on this issue of
making sure our dogs are out of the way - under chairs or the table where
they will not be tripped over.
>>>>
>>>> But many problems are from lax handling by new users AND long-time
handlers because they don't think about what they are doing.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship 
>>>> is like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chantel Cuddemi" 
>>>> <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a Pilot grad, and I went through the achievement walk twice, 
>>>>> and I had to stay for extra training.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, are you saying that all Pilot grads are idiots? Pilot's name 
>>>>> is engraved on Motley's harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chantel and Motley.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Snow 
>>>>> White Dove
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:20 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I'm back
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I got Shasta at Pilot.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was and am astounded by their training of their dogs and their
students.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know they have a fowl reputation.  but when I was there, I saw why.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were a couple of women ther that never should've gotten 
>>>>> their dogs because they didn't have to go through the full 
>>>>> achievement walk to determine whether they are fit for a dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically what I'm trying to say, politely, but truthfully is, 
>>>>> that the reputation of Pilot is marred only by the idiots they let 
>>>>> go home with dogs they sshouldn't have giving to people.
>>>>>
>>>>> For any questions on the details of this opinion.  Please email me 
>>>>> off list so as to not clutter the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just have to say this.  Pilot is, in my opinion, being 
>>>>> considered a less than desirable school ecause of the idiots that 
>>>>> are seen because they're obviously not suited to have a dog and
Pilot's name is on that harness.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one sees Pilot on the harnesses of those who handle their dogs 
>>>>> well and just blend in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'm done gushing over my experiences.  Please don't feel 
>>>>> offended by anything I might have said.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I've overstepped my bounds with the moderators.  Please know 
>>>>> that apologize.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:34 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny,
>>>>>> congratulations!
>>>>>> What an interesting name..Where did you get Mr Shasta? I don't 
>>>>>> remember
>>>>> what school you apply to. Sorry.
>>>>>> May you both have many years of wonderful working relationship
together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Snow White Dove <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wanted to write to tell you all that I finally did it.  I know
>>>>> Cynprobably let you guys know already, but I figured I'd write myself.
>>>>>>> I came home August 9th with an English Black lab named Shasta.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's a wonderful worker and has a great personality, but boy I 
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> sure of the personality part in the beginning or whether I could 
>>>>> handle him at all.
>>>>>>> If he had not been on leash I think he'd have bounced off the 
>>>>>>> walls all
>>>>> on his own steam.
>>>>>>> He settled down, and things are pretty cool now, but being 19 
>>>>>>> months old,
>>>>> he's a chewer.  I've had him on leash since I got him, and 
>>>>> everything was fine till I got home with my brand new leather 
>>>>> leash which he chewed in half in a perfectly streight line in two
seconds flat.
>>>>>>> Needless to say, I was embarrassed to call the school to order a 
>>>>>>> new
>>>>> leash, but more embarrassed when the head trainer answered the 
>>>>> phone. He was cool about it, well for him, and said to give him a 
>>>>> couple of weeks to get more leashes as theyn were out.
>>>>>>> I'm hoping they'll just give me a new one, but I don't think 
>>>>>>> I'll be that
>>>>> lucky.
>>>>>>> Also, he appears to be a dog, but is a beaver.  He eats anything 
>>>>>>> wooden
>>>>> outside, and I can't seem to break him of it.  I've said no, leash 
>>>>> corrections, drop it and removed sticks and twigs from his mouth.  ug.
>>>>>>> Hope to hear from you guys soon.  I just did a mass delete 
>>>>>>> before I wrote
>>>>> you all, so if you wrote me about Shasta, please forgive me and 
>>>>> send it again.
>>>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jenny
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