[nagdu] Blind vs Visually Impaired

rhonda cruz rhondaprincess at gmail.com
Thu Feb 14 15:41:55 UTC 2013 

 hello I'm all most totally blind.
 and i am also a guide dog user.
 i've accepted it.
 all the way.
 
 i was raised at a blind school.
 for my high school days.

 but it is all right.


On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Eve Sanchez wrote:

> Lyn, I think you said it all very well. The problem is that though the
> federation believes one thing, it does not reach all of the people. As you
> had said that you grew up as the bull in the china shop, well I grew up too
> blind for most and not blind enough for the NFB. At least that is what my
> parents were told when I was 3. I am not sure how they figured as I had
> only light perception in my right eye and my left eye, which had very low
> vision, was always patched. In other words I could not see. I have since
> lost almost all of what i did have and now am on my way to total blindness.
> In a sense, I may find it comforting as I know how distracting and painful
> 'seeing' is. I also understand how you have many prejudices to overcome and
> love that you have the confidence and pride to be you. My spiritual path
> often brings out prejudice as well, but I am very happy and comfortable
> with it, like "coming home" they say. Just as someday, who we are will be
> accepted more readily (and I do believe that), perhaps our vision or lack
> of will be acceptied. Either way, we need to accept each other or the rest
> of the world never will. Blessed Be. Eve
> 
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> Larry,
>> I reread these posts - changed the subject line - and a thought came to me
>> about using "visually impaired" versus "blind" when we refer to ourselves.
>> 
>> I totally get it about what the NFB says about the topic.  Yes, we are all
>> BLIND in the definition of what the "Legal Blindness" means - and that
>> definately includes the partially sighted along with total blindness.  I
>> agree that the NFB has it right to say that we are all blind without
>> distinguishing between the degree of vision a person has.  I've always
>> liked how NFB has made it "okay" to be blind and to be blind with pride.
>> This resonates with me just like my pride in being LGBT - it's also OKay
>> to be LGBT!  Actually, this has helped me to understand the NFB thoughts on
>> being blind.
>> 
>> That said, I think there are two things here.  That woman you mentioned
>> sees being partially sighted as different than total blindness.  She
>> doesn't get it yet about how all of us, no matter the degree of vision we
>> have on the "legal blindness" spectrum, are all treated alike - less than
>> equal in the eyes of the fully sighted society in which we live.  Blind
>> folks are also raised in this blind-phobic and disabled-phobic world as
>> anyone else on the planet.  We are taught self hate.  And the NFB is trying
>> to address this with getting us to embrace blindness and that it is okay to
>> be blind - you know, respectable to be blind.
>> 
>> Basically, we need to educate our own as well as society at large that it
>> is okay to be blind.  I used to be in the same place as this woman is.  I
>> hated to be blind.  I grew up with, "You're a bull in a china shop", and
>> "You're not very observant" as I tried my best with very limited vision.  I
>> hated to be queer - fodder for ALOT of ankst and depression on my part.
>> Thanks to the NFB that I learned that it is okay to be blind and to my
>> LGBT community that it is okay to be queer.  WE all must learn to accept
>> and embrace all that makes us unique people.
>> 
>> Just my thoughts on this.  I know that most on this list are NFB members
>> and we know this.  Add guide dogs and white canes, we can all walk with
>> pride with no shame in using our chosen mobility aids.  Sometimes, I think
>> that some folks have a problem with white canes and guide dogs because they
>> haven't yet accepted and embraced their blindness.  Thoughts anyone?
>> 
>> Lyn and Landon
>> 
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>> takepictures of your dog
>> 
>> 
>> Yes and to take it further, to me impaired implies something is broken and
>>> I am not broken no matter how my back feels. Thanks for input. Eve
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This came up at our chapter meeting yesterday.  I objected to using
>>>> visually impaired in a flier we're putting up.  Someone sitting next to
>>>> me
>>>> piped up and announced she wasn't blind!!  I told her she most certainly
>>>> was! She just happened to have sight.  Of course I had to again explain
>>>> our
>>>> philosophy to her, AGAIN!!  But, the point is that once you start
>>>> separating out folks for whatever reason, you make distinctions between
>>>> US!! and them! And, you then can break up any well functioning group by
>>>> drawing attention to differences.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> 
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:25 PM
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to
>>>> takepictures of your dog
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Eve,
>>>> 
>>>>> I can see what you mean about the labels, "partials or sighteds" and
>>>>> "Totals" and the stigmas attached to them.  This sucks but is reality.
>>>>> It
>>>>> is like in the Black community light skinned or dark skinned and the
>>>>> stigma
>>>>> is more on the dark skinned as the totals are looked upon as less in the
>>>>> blind community.  On both couonts it is wrong!
>>>>> 
>>>>> You should NEVER play second fiddle to anyone else just because they may
>>>>> possess more or full eyesight.  I've seen this behavior mainly in the
>>>>> blind
>>>>> schools where some people feel the need to dump on someone else - well,
>>>>> the
>>>>> totals.  Partials have some sight so they would be in the "sighted camp"
>>>>> even though partials get crap from both sides - fully sighted (you're
>>>>> not
>>>>> really blind - you're faking it!) or totals who may begrudge partials
>>>>> for
>>>>> having some sighted privilege.  But we all - totals and partials -
>>>>> really
>>>>> get the crap from society that decides what we can or can't do based on
>>>>> misconceptions, fear, and plain old bigotry rather than going to the
>>>>> experts - those of us with the blindness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The truth is that we are all blind and we all have alot of challenges
>>>>> although they may vary.  I have friends who are fully sighted, partially
>>>>> sighted, and totally blind - makes no difference to me.  I judge them on
>>>>> what kind of person they are.  Yeah, I'm a low partial - I use a guide
>>>>> dog.
>>>>> I used to be a high partial when I was a teenager and I rode my bike all
>>>>> over town.  I agree, we should junk the labels and just become people
>>>>> with
>>>>> some extra issues to be dealt with.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh yeah, I don't care who takes my dog's picture.  Landon's wound up on
>>>>> people's Facebook! They all ask me first.  Landon was doing something
>>>>> cute
>>>>> like lie with his head up and his front legs crossed like he was
>>>>> royalty! I
>>>>> saw the pix and thought they were very cute.  They didn't take my
>>>>> picture -
>>>>> just the dog.  The people who took the pix then asked me about guide
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> and I used it as a learning/teaching moment. I have some of these cute
>>>>> pix
>>>>> on my own Facebook timeline and i don't mind if my FB friends share
>>>>> them.
>>>>> Many of these friends love Landon!  LOL!  Oh, who knows how many pix get
>>>>> taken of Landon with his booties on as we march in the Pride Parade!
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>> seeing Landon in booties will remind them to use booties on their own
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> on hot pavement.  One never knows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>>> like
>>>>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:02 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
>>>>> pictures of your dog
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have no problem with my dog getting her picture taken as long as no
>>>>> one
>>>>> 
>>>>>> talks to her and I am not in the picture without knowing. I may be
>>>>>> having a
>>>>>> fat day or not have my makeup on or something. My dog is not as vain.
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> does piss me off, in a side note, is the designation between sighted
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> totals. This always seems to come from the 'total' as they like to call
>>>>>> themselves as seems to be a type of prejudice in that they feel they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> more disabled or more blind than others. Sorry to vent on this, but it
>>>>>> really pisses me off and I know I am not the only one who feels this
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> though many people will not say so. I would appreciate the terms going
>>>>>> away. Thanks for the opportunity to get my word out. Eve
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:36 PM, cheryl echevarria <
>>>>>> cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes I am also with Lion International and the Brentwood Chamber of
>>>>>>> Commerce and other Travel Agent Organizations.
>>>>>>> But I do not let anyone come up to me and take a picture of me or
>>>>>>> Maxx.
>>>>>>> These are different situations.
>>>>>>> Have a great day to all. Bright and sunny after the Blizzard. Um isn't
>>>>>>> Nemo a fish and Captain Nemo for 20,000 leagues under the sea, I just
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know where they get the names of these storms from.
>>>>>>> Lol.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible
>>>>>>> Travel
>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria, Ownerhttp://
>>>>>>> www.echevarriatravel.com631-****456-5394reservations@**
>>>>>>> echevarriatravel.comhttp://****www.echevarriatravel.****
>>>>>>> wordpress.com2012
>>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
>>>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>>>>>>> Federation of
>>>>>>> the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <http://www.nfbny.org/>
>>>>>>> <http://www.nfbny.org/>
>>>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy and
>>>>>>> other resources. Any vacation package booked between November 6
>>>>>>> 2012-November 6, 2013 and vacation must be traveled no later than
>>>>>>> 12/30/2014 a percentage of my earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> you book a Sandals for couples or Beaches for families and friends
>>>>>>> resorts
>>>>>>> vacation, $100.00 per booking will go to the affiliate as well.  You
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> need to be a member of the NFB.org, just book through us.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: lkeeler at comcast.net
>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:22:35 -0500
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to >
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> pictures of your dog
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheryl, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.  I have a picture of >
>>>>>>> Holly
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I with the bishop.  I also have a couple with the Knights of >
>>>>>>> Columbus.
>>>>>>> AIn
>>>>>>>> these cases, I allowed it to prove that these organizations will >
>>>>>>> admit
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> approve of blind folks and there service animals.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "nyagdu" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] people taking pictures of dog or wanting to take
>>>>>>> pictures
>>>>>>>> of your dog
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Good morning everyone:
>>>>>>>>> Nelson is busy shoveling the snow outside from Nemo, Blizzard > >
>>>>>>> 2013.
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, while I was in Washington, D.C. this past week with some
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> you. I
>>>>>>>>> was talking with some members of the Utah Chapter and a woman, who
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> a member of the NFB, a guest in the hotel asked me if she could
>>>>>>> take > > a
>>>>>>>>> picture of Maxx.
>>>>>>>>> I said no. She asked me why. Well first I said, "Because I do not
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> dog all over social media from strangers that I do not know", she
>>>>>>> became
>>>>>>>>> quite obnoxious about it. I put it to her this way. I said are
>>>>>>> you > > a
>>>>>>>>> parent, she said yes. Well would you like any of your family or
>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>>> to have there pictures taken by strangers posted all over the > >
>>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>>>>> That is not right.
>>>>>>>>> Then she got it and understood.
>>>>>>>>> Have you had the same issues. Sometime someone tells me that they
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> picture of me and the dog, and I get upset, only because they > >
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>> and the same issue. I should be the one to post pictures and > >
>>>>>>> videos
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> and maxx if I want, but not strangers.
>>>>>>>>> Cheryl
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Disabled Entrepreneur of the Year 2012 of NY State
>>>>>>>>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!SNG Certified - Accessible >
>>>>>>>> Travel
>>>>>>>>> Advocate!Cheryl Echevarria,
>>>>>>>>> Ownerhttp://www.****echevarriatravel.com631-456-****
>>>>>>> 5394reservations
>>>>>>> @echevarriatravel.comhttp://****www.echevarriatravel.****
>>>>>>> wordpress.com2012
>>>>>>>>> Norwegian Cruise Line University Advisory Board Member.
>>>>>>>>> Affiliated as an independent contractor with Montrose TravelCST -
>>>>>>>>> #1018299-10Echevarria Travel and proud member of the National
>>>>>>> Federation
>>>>>>>>> of the Blind will be holding a year round fundraiser for the
>>>>>>>>> http://www.NFBNY.org <http://www.nfbny.org/> <
>>>>>>> http://www.nfbny.org/> > > <http://www.nfbny.org/>
>>>>>>> after Hurricane Sandy
>>>>>>> and other resources. Any
>>>>>>>>> vacation package booked between November 6 2012-November 6, 2013
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> vacation must be traveled no later than 12/30/2014 a percentage of
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> earnings will go to the affiliate.  Also is you book a Sandals for
>>>>>>> couples
>>>>>>>>> or Beaches for families and friends resorts vacation, $100.00 per
>>>>>>> booking
>>>>>>>>> will go to the affiliate as well.  You do not need to be a member
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> NFB.org, just book through us.
>>>>>>>>> 
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