[nagdu] clicker training and echolocation

[Cindy Ray]

I think I use echo location, but I didn't know you could be trained to do that. Sometimes I snap my fingers. I wonder if it is the same thing they used to call "obstacle reception" or "perception", not sure which.
CL

On Feb 19, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Tracy Carcione wrote:

> Hi Julie J.
> I use echolocation all the time, but it is probably not "advanced".  I
> used to ride a bike, for instance, but that was a long time ago.
> I wonder if you could use a high tongue-click for sonar, and a different
> one for Monte?  The click I make with my tongue in the front of my mouth
> sounds much different to me than the one with my tongue farther back.
> Tracy
> 
>> Hello all!
>> 
>> I am thinking of learning better echo location skills to help me be a
>> better traveler, especially in outdoor off road settings.  I am
>> specifically thinking of the technique called flash sonar taught by
>> World Access for the Blind.   It's the tongue click technique where you
>> listen to the echoes to get pretty detailed information about your
>> environment.
>> 
>> I understand that this technique has been met with skepticism in the
>> past.  I understand that it isn't for everyone.  I feel though that it
>> will give me added information about my environment, allowing me to
>> explore and challenge what I previously thought would be difficult or
>> impossible.
>> 
>> I am not giving up working with a guide dog.  I plan to use this skill
>> to compliment my use of cane and dog, not to replace them.   I am a good
>> traveler now, but there are things I would like to do or do with more
>> accuracy and ease than I am able to do now, camping, hiking, roller
>> skating, archery, moving through airports, outdoor festivals, etc and
>> perhaps riding a bike.
>> 
>> So my main question is to those of you who use clicker training with
>> your dogs, especially those who use the tongue click.  Am I going to
>> confuse Monty with the echolocation clicks since he has been trained
>> that is a marker signal that he has done something I wanted?   I'm
>> thinking I can go back to the very first lesson of clicker training
>> where you teach the dog that click means treat, except this time I will
>> mix up tongue clicks with mechanical clicks only giving treats for the
>> mechanical clicks to teach him that tongue clicks are no longer rewarded.
>> 
>> I would also like to know if anyone has experience with using advanced
>> echo location with your guide dog.  How has it helped you?  Have you
>> encountered any problems?  Have you discovered you are able to do things
>> you never thought possible?
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts or ideas,
>> Julie
>> 
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