[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Programs atNAGDU Meeting

Chantel Cuddemi jawsgirl87 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 2 15:59:58 UTC 2013

When I  was at Pilot training with Motley, we were told that they don't set
up traffic checks because, when they used to use traffic checks, the dogs
and the students were all freaked out by it. 

Hope that helps, 

Chantel and Motley.

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Subject: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Programs
atNAGDU Meeting

I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks. As I am
considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm wondering if
it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are trained to
stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience? But is it
that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for their students
where they have a car driven by a staff member to test them? I'd think that
in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic checks without
setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus traffic! Do I have it
right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!

Ava and Cocoa

On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:

> the staff at pilot are good.
>  maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there minds,
> about going to a nfb convention,
> but i will never know, if i just ask.
> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before giving
>> presentation. 
>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed her
>> and used it as a learning opportunity. 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>> marion, 
>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,, before
>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those times
>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can not
>> participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if they
would. I
>> do feel like that is a cop-out. 
>> Marsha drenth  
>> Sent with my IPhone 
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Rhonda,
>>>  Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot would
>> never
>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his trainers
>> was
>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he said the
>>> trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said Pilot did not do
>> traffic
>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised and
>>> exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to someone else that
>> was
>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of the
>>> importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I felt it
>> a
>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks while
>>> assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members can be very
>>> assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult another nor treat anyone
>>> with disrespect or in an undignified manner. Pilot has still not chosen
>>> attend our conventions, though!
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> -----

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