[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: TrainingProgramsatNAGDU Meeting

Tue Jul 2 21:32:02 UTC 2013

I really don't know? I never did that! But, we did practice on real streets 
both with what a student and also what a dog observes.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "L Gwizdak" <leg1950 at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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> Ummm, the dogs and handlers freak out when they get a traffic check????  I 
> think you were refering to the ones set up by school staff.  So, my 
> question is: What happens for the REAL ones that just happen?  The dog and 
> handler just has to freak out alone?
>
> Lyn and Landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chantel Cuddemi" <jawsgirl87 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training 
> ProgramsatNAGDU Meeting
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>
>> When I  was at Pilot training with Motley, we were told that they don't 
>> set
>> up traffic checks because, when they used to use traffic checks, the dogs
>> and the students were all freaked out by it.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Chantel and Motley.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> avapup.7 at gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 4:17 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Programs
>> atNAGDU Meeting
>>
>> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks. As I 
>> am
>> considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm wondering if
>> it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are trained to
>> stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience? But is 
>> it
>> that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for their students
>> where they have a car driven by a staff member to test them? I'd think 
>> that
>> in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic checks without
>> setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus traffic! Do I have 
>> it
>> right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!
>>
>> Ava and Cocoa
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the staff at pilot are good.
>>>  maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there minds,
>>> about going to a nfb convention,
>>> but i will never know, if i just ask.
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before giving
>> her
>>>> presentation.
>>>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed her
>> down
>>>> and used it as a learning opportunity.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha 
>>>> Drenth
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>
>>>> marion,
>>>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>>>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,, before
>> you
>>>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those times
>> too.
>>>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can not
>>>> participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if they
>> would. I
>>>> do feel like that is a cop-out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>>  Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>>>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot would
>>>> never
>>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his 
>>>>> trainers
>>>> was
>>>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he said 
>>>>> the
>>>>> trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said Pilot did not do
>>>> traffic
>>>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised and
>>>>> exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to someone else 
>>>>> that
>>>> was
>>>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of the
>>>>> importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I felt it
>> was
>>>> a
>>>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks 
>>>>> while
>>>>> assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members can be very
>>>>> assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult another nor treat 
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> with disrespect or in an undignified manner. Pilot has still not 
>>>>> chosen
>> to
>>>>> attend our conventions, though!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>
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