[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training Programsat NAGDU Meeting

Wed Jul 3 15:29:49 UTC 2013

Dear Chantel,

That is totally ridiculous; I wouldn't want a dog who freaked out with
artificial traffic checks.
Darla & Handsome Huck

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel Cuddemi
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:39 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
Programsat NAGDU Meeting

Guys,

Students and dogs were freaked out by the artificial traffic checks set up
by Pilot. I wasn't aware that the dogs go through artificial traffic checks
before we got them.

On 7/2/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
> That I didn't know! I just know that between Holly and I we don't have 
> any probblems! She'll stop whebn cars are coming and go around those 
> that park in the middle of the street.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training 
> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>
>
>> Hi Ava,
>>
>> Pilot dogs does traffic checks while the dogs are in their training 
>> period
>>
>> with the trainers, before they get to you.
>>
>> You're right though, there are plenty of opportunities for the dog to 
>> show
>>
>> you it'll stop for traffic during your training itself.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 AM, avapup.7 at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks. 
>>> As I am considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm 
>>> wondering
>>>
>>> if it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are 
>>> trained
>>>
>>> to stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience? 
>>> But is it that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for 
>>> their students where they have a car driven by a staff member to 
>>> test them? I'd
>>>
>>> think that in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic 
>>> checks
>>>
>>> without setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus 
>>> traffic! Do
>>>
>>> I have it right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!
>>>
>>> Ava and Cocoa
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the staff at pilot are good.
>>>> maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there 
>>>> minds, about going to a nfb convention, but i will never know, if i 
>>>> just ask.
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before 
>>>>> giving
>>>>>
>>>>> her
>>>>> presentation.
>>>>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed 
>>>>> her down and used it as a learning opportunity.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha 
>>>>> Drenth
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>> Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> marion,
>>>>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>>>>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,, 
>>>>> before
>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those 
>>>>> times
>>>>>
>>>>> too.
>>>>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can 
>>>>> not participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if 
>>>>> they would. I do feel like that is a cop-out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>>> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an 
>>>>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot 
>>>>>> would
>>>>> never
>>>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his 
>>>>>> trainers
>>>>> was
>>>>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he 
>>>>>> said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said 
>>>>>> Pilot did not do
>>>>> traffic
>>>>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised 
>>>>>> and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to 
>>>>>> someone else that
>>>>> was
>>>>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of 
>>>>>> the importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I 
>>>>>> felt it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was
>>>>> a
>>>>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks 
>>>>>> while assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members 
>>>>>> can be very assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult 
>>>>>> another nor treat anyone with disrespect or in an undignified 
>>>>>> manner. Pilot has still not chosen to attend our conventions, 
>>>>>> though!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
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