[nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update:Training Programsat NAGDU Meeting

Wed Jul 3 17:28:41 UTC 2013

Deanna, for me it wasn't that bad. Of course I'be been told I'm unusually 
alert. My veiw is that reality is a much better test than a set up situation 
but that is just me! I'm aware that other folks don't hold my veiws and 
would also not object to Pilot doing planned traffic checks. If for no other 
reason than to build some students confidence and to tuage the dogs 
reactions better. Freaking out is not always an option while traveling. 
Whether it be dog or handler! If it is the handler, the dog will pick it up 
really fast! Conclussion, more work for the team! In real life, unplanned 
things happen really quickly and folks and dogs both need to react likewise. 
Thuis is true no matter what mode of travel or from whatever school you come 
from!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deanna Lewis" <DLewis at clovernook.org>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update:Training 
Programsat NAGDU Meeting


>I am sorry, but I would rather have a trained professional driving a car 
>and testing my dog and I, than I would to have a random stranger who is not 
>paying attention come close to, or actually hitting us. Drivers nowadays 
>are so careless and they are always on their cell phones, texting, putting 
>on makeup, and so forth. They just do not pay attention to pedestrians.
> I strongly believe that planned traffic checks are an essential part of 
> guide dog training.
> Deanna and Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:30 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training 
> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>
> Dear Chantel,
>
> That is totally ridiculous; I wouldn't want a dog who freaked out with 
> artificial traffic checks.
> Darla & Handsome Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chantel Cuddemi
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:39 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training 
> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>
> Guys,
>
> Students and dogs were freaked out by the artificial traffic checks set up 
> by Pilot. I wasn't aware that the dogs go through artificial traffic 
> checks before we got them.
>
> On 7/2/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>> That I didn't know! I just know that between Holly and I we don't have
>> any probblems! She'll stop whebn cars are coming and go around those
>> that park in the middle of the street.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] pilot dogs traffic checks was Update: Training
>> Programsat NAGDU Meeting
>>
>>
>>> Hi Ava,
>>>
>>> Pilot dogs does traffic checks while the dogs are in their training
>>> period
>>>
>>> with the trainers, before they get to you.
>>>
>>> You're right though, there are plenty of opportunities for the dog to
>>> show
>>>
>>> you it'll stop for traffic during your training itself.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Jenny
>>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:16 AM, avapup.7 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've heard this before, that pilot dogs doesn't do traffic checks.
>>>> As I am considering this program for after my Cocoa girl retires I'm
>>>> wondering
>>>>
>>>> if it's maybe a difference in terminology? I mean, their dogs are
>>>> trained
>>>>
>>>> to stop if a car approaches, right? Like, intelligent disobedience?
>>>> But is it that pilot dogs doesn't set up artificial situations for
>>>> their students where they have a car driven by a staff member to
>>>> test them? I'd
>>>>
>>>> think that in Columbus there would be plenty of real life traffic
>>>> checks
>>>>
>>>> without setting them up like other schools do! Ugh, Columbus
>>>> traffic! Do
>>>>
>>>> I have it right or am I thinking of something different? Thanks!!
>>>>
>>>> Ava and Cocoa
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:24 PM, rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the staff at pilot are good.
>>>>> maybe if we got more grads from pilot they would change there
>>>>> minds, about going to a nfb convention, but i will never know, if i
>>>>> just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Star Gazer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like the trainer at Pilot wasn't briefed properly before
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> presentation.
>>>>>> Agree with Marsha, the folks in charge at Pilot could have calmed
>>>>>> her down and used it as a learning opportunity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
>>>>>> Drenth
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:40 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Update: Training Programs at NAGDU Meeting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> marion,
>>>>>> When did this happen? I am assuming before you took the presidency.
>>>>>> Althought there has been those members around since those time,,
>>>>>> before
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> took the presidency, the NAGDU is certainly different from those
>>>>>> times
>>>>>>
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> its unfortunate that Pilot feels that way, that they feel they can
>>>>>> not participate. I wonder if its graduates urged them to do so, if
>>>>>> they would. I do feel like that is a cop-out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha drenth
>>>>>> Sent with my IPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>> <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rhonda,
>>>>>>> Pilot has not been to an NFB convention since I have been an
>>>>>>> officer. When I spoke with Jay Gray to invite him, he said Pilot
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> attend another convention because it was his opinion one of his
>>>>>>> trainers
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> embarrassed at a meeting. I don't remember the incident, but he
>>>>>>> said the trainer was asked about traffic checks and she said
>>>>>>> Pilot did not do
>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>> checks. Apparently, the president at the time was very surprised
>>>>>>> and exclaimed, "You don't do traffic checks?" According to
>>>>>>> someone else that
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> there, this is how it happened and a rather strong discussion of
>>>>>>> the importance of traffic checks followed. I told Mr. Gray that I
>>>>>>> felt it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> reasonable question and couldn't imagine not doing traffic checks
>>>>>>> while assuring him that, in spite of the fact that our members
>>>>>>> can be very assertive, I would never allow anyone to insult
>>>>>>> another nor treat anyone with disrespect or in an undignified
>>>>>>> manner. Pilot has still not chosen to attend our conventions,
>>>>>>> though!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
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