[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Wed Jul 10 13:55:13 UTC 2013 

I think that part of the problem was that a lot of people didn't/don't come 
to NAGDU meetings, so they could pretend they didn't know there was a 
relieving fee.  I think it was talked about in convention literature before 
the convention, but it still depended on people finding NAGDU to pay up. It 
was a long time ago, but that's what I think.
With childcare, one brings the child to a certain area, so the fee can be 
assessed there.  Now I'm picturing a turnstile by the relief area, so a 
person has to pay to get in!  Which would just make people take their dogs 
elsewhere.
Tracy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion


>I think we need to do it again. I don't think it was $25 though. I was 
>thinking it was $15. No matter. Ed and Toni asked for it as a donation, I 
>think. I am not sure how we would get everyone to live into it, but people 
>have to pay for childcare. No pay, no childcare. If we knew in advance of 
>the convention we were paying it, then we need to work it into our budgets.
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>
>> NAGDU did try charging a $25 fee some time ago, like in the early '90's. 
>> It only lasted a few years, so I guess something about it wasn't working.
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>>
>>> The collection was taken up and didn't even come close to covering the 
>>> cost of the relief areas. If the relief areas are $3500 to maintain, we 
>>> didn't even touch it. I am not sure what we collected, and there was a 
>>> collection at the exhibit hall as well. I would be surprised if we 
>>> picked up 1/3 of the cost in donations, but I wouldn't swear to that 
>>> either. A fee would hold us all equally responsible. I would think that 
>>> some arrangements could be made on a case by case basis if such a fee 
>>> was too much for someone, but it would need to be something that was 
>>> done privately and without the knowledge of the rest of us.
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:42 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A collection was made in the meeting.
>>>> Glad nagdu helps with this as well.
>>>> I need to find the meeting for Wednesday, I went to another event that 
>>>> interested me.
>>>> Can you send it again?
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose children 
>>>>> come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the 
>>>>> dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have 
>>>>> the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by 
>>>>> charging for it. Even though I did not bring Fisher, I would be 
>>>>> willing to pay a fee for it.
>>>>
>>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I for one 
>>>>>> would be glad to do what I can.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" 
>>>>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Danielle.  I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>
>>>>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief 
>>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing.  I 
>>>>>>> apprecaite the
>>>>>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, 
>>>>>>> I'd like
>>>>>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for 
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle 
>>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>> Creapeau
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla 
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped 
>>>>>>> at by not
>>>>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these 
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped 
>>>>>>> out from
>>>>>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to 
>>>>>>> say, she
>>>>>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>>>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, 
>>>>>>> made me
>>>>>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was 
>>>>>>> my first
>>>>>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace 
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park 
>>>>>>> area for
>>>>>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from 
>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt 
>>>>>>> that this
>>>>>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that 
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. 
>>>>>>> Valla
>>>>>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand 
>>>>>>> it, the
>>>>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware 
>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we 
>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? 
>>>>>>> Furthermore, as
>>>>>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators 
>>>>>>> that were
>>>>>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her 
>>>>>>> accidents as
>>>>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were 
>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about 
>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no 
>>>>>>> excuse. If
>>>>>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside 
>>>>>>> and let
>>>>>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did 
>>>>>>> stand by the
>>>>>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones, 
>>>>>>> eating,
>>>>>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not 
>>>>>>> trying to
>>>>>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when 
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog 
>>>>>>> distracted on
>>>>>>> other people or dogs.
>>>>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired 
>>>>>>> me with
>>>>>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a 
>>>>>>> team. Valla
>>>>>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other 
>>>>>>> out. It
>>>>>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a 
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> Tuesday.
>>>>
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