[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Michael Hingson Mike at michaelhingson.com
Wed Jul 10 15:26:30 UTC 2013 

I agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert stigile
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 08:06 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Hello Mike
IAM wondering if it might be possible to have a button on the registration
process in preregistration online It could be a button that people can check
that they want to pay $25 or not check if they don't want to but I would be
willing to pay 25 if I was coming across that on convention registration
Just my thought

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:28 AM, "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
wrote:

> It seems to me that during the pre registration process there should 
> be a mechanism to pay something like $25 toward the relief area.  It 
> could be mandatory for guide dog users, but I would rather try first a 
> voluntary donation.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 07:15 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
> 
> No, in the registration material for the convention, you would say, 
> "If you are bringing a guide dog, you must pay $25; maybe it could be 
> $20 if you pre-registered. You can't count on people to come to NAGDU to
pay this fee.
> There are far more dogs than there are people who attend, which is 
> another issue entirely. LOL.
> 
> CL
> 
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:55 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> wrote:
> 
>> I think that part of the problem was that a lot of people 
>> didn't/don't
> come to NAGDU meetings, so they could pretend they didn't know there 
> was a relieving fee.  I think it was talked about in convention 
> literature before the convention, but it still depended on people 
> finding NAGDU to pay up. It was a long time ago, but that's what I think.
>> With childcare, one brings the child to a certain area, so the fee 
>> can be
> assessed there.  Now I'm picturing a turnstile by the relief area, so 
> a person has to pay to get in!  Which would just make people take 
> their dogs elsewhere.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>> 
>> 
>>> I think we need to do it again. I don't think it was $25 though. I 
>>> was
> thinking it was $15. No matter. Ed and Toni asked for it as a 
> donation, I think. I am not sure how we would get everyone to live 
> into it, but people have to pay for childcare. No pay, no childcare. 
> If we knew in advance of the convention we were paying it, then we need to
work it into our budgets.
>>> 
>>> CL
>>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> NAGDU did try charging a $25 fee some time ago, like in the early
'90's.
> It only lasted a few years, so I guess something about it wasn't working.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> The collection was taken up and didn't even come close to covering 
>>>>> the
> cost of the relief areas. If the relief areas are $3500 to maintain, 
> we didn't even touch it. I am not sure what we collected, and there 
> was a collection at the exhibit hall as well. I would be surprised if 
> we picked up
> 1/3 of the cost in donations, but I wouldn't swear to that either. A 
> fee would hold us all equally responsible. I would think that some 
> arrangements could be made on a case by case basis if such a fee was 
> too much for someone, but it would need to be something that was done 
> privately and without the knowledge of the rest of us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> CL
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:42 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> A collection was made in the meeting.
>>>>>> Glad nagdu helps with this as well.
>>>>>> I need to find the meeting for Wednesday, I went to another event 
>>>>>> that
> interested me.
>>>>>> Can you send it again?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people whose 
>>>>>>> children
> come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but the 
> dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those who have 
> the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly fund it by 
> charging for it. Even though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to
pay a fee for it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for it, I 
>>>>>>>> for
> one would be glad to do what I can.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow"
> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Danielle.  I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with 
>>>>>>>>> relief
> areas.
>>>>>>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing.  I 
>>>>>>>>> apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure 
>>>>>>>>> adequate relief areas, but, I'd like to see a company who does 
>>>>>>>>> this type of
> work do this type of work for us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>>>> Danielle
> A.
>>>>>>>>> Creapeau
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. 
>>>>>>>>> Valla and I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because 
>>>>>>>>> she got snapped at by not
>>>>>>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on 
>>>>>>>>> these other dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them 
>>>>>>>>> when they jumped out from under their handlers' chairs and 
>>>>>>>>> tried to come at her. Needless to say, she was way too wound 
>>>>>>>>> up to
> go anywhere after that.
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked 
>>>>>>>>> me, made me think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll 
>>>>>>>>> say that this was my first convention so I don't know if some 
>>>>>>>>> of these things are commonplace at convention or not. I was 
>>>>>>>>> sort of shocked by the size of the park area for the dogs. It 
>>>>>>>>> was about the size of a single parking space and from what I 
>>>>>>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I 
>>>>>>>>> felt that this was way too small of a space for all those dogs.
>>>>>>>>> Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets pretty 
>>>>>>>>> sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't set foot in 
>>>>>>>>> the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand it, the White 
>>>>>>>>> Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware 
>>>>>>>>> that it costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there 
>>>>>>>>> anything that we as a division can be doing to make the area 
>>>>>>>>> bigger or cleaner? Furthermore, as the week went on, I noticed 
>>>>>>>>> a lot of accidents near the escalators that were just left 
>>>>>>>>> behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents 
>>>>>>>>> as well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought 
>>>>>>>>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone from 
>>>>>>>>> the hotel
> staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I feel like 
> that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator when it 
> happens, step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>>>>>>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who 
>>>>>>>>> did stand by the messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>>>>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on 
>>>>>>>>> phones, eating, talking or goofing off while working their 
>>>>>>>>> dogs too. again, not trying to imply that these things don't 
>>>>>>>>> happen but it was frustrating when someone else was too busy 
>>>>>>>>> doing something else while his or her dog distracted on other 
>>>>>>>>> people or
> dogs.
>>>>>>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely 
>>>>>>>>> inspired me with the bonds they have with their dogs and the 
>>>>>>>>> way they worked as a team. Valla and I just met in October of
>>>>>>>>> 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It was just 
>>>>>>>>> amazing to
> see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>>>>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's 
>>>>>>>>> having a good Tuesday.
>>>>>> 
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