[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Sat Jul 13 17:46:08 UTC 2013

Larry that is a good thought but how many of us could do that without
stepping in someone  elses  dogs mess?  If I am out there and I see that
someone didn't clean up I will pick it up so know one else steps in it but
I can't always see it well enough to do that.  We tried that in Dallas one
time.  I don't think it worked very well.  How many of us have enough free
time that we want to spend that time outdoors monitoring the box!

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 5:35 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

I personally feel that if us, the dog users aggree to help defray the cost
or burden of having to maintain a relief area its not discriminatory but
instead responsible. And, lets face it, some folks don't always pick up. I
am all for helping maintain relife ares whether donating to maintain them
or to help keep them clean by using ourselves to volunteer. How many of
y'all would help keep the areas clean? I believing that helping pay for the
previledge is easier for most folks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

> Well, let's check the legalities.  How does A C B justify it?
>
> Let's not totally reinvent the wheel, folks.
>
> Margoa nd Arrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National 
> Association of Guide Dog Users
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 3:02 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Julie,
> Do you remember when there were pay toilets? I believe that practice 
> was discontinued because it was deemed to not be in the public 
> interest. I believe charging guide dog users for the privilege of 
> using a relief area could be construed as a surcharge and, by 
> definition, would be discriminatory. At the same time, I believe those 
> of us who use the relief areas would be best served by making 
> contributions to its upkeep. The challenge is that those of us who are 
> responsible will voluntarily make such contributions while those who 
> are not will likely not. It is much the same as for our meetings. 
> Those who attend the meetings and make contributions as we pass the 
> dog bowl understand it is our civic duty. Those who do not attend our 
> meetings are those who have other ideas in this respect. This is not 
> to say that there are other reasons, such as conflicts in scheduling, 
> for not attending our meetings; however, the vast majority of guide 
> dog users do not come to our meeting due to apathy. At a convention a 
> few years ago, one person told me NAGDU had nothing to offer him. 
> About three months later he called me to ask what NAGDU was going to 
> do about an issue he was having. I reminded him of his "NAGDU has 
> nothing to offer" comment, then help him out. He promised he would 
> become more active. I haven't heard from him since!
> There are practical considerations we need to take into account due to 
> the sheer number of dogs in one place and, I am of the opinion that we 
> should all do our parts in ensuring that our hosts do not suffer 
> losses because of our presence. By this, I mean that those who tend to 
> be a little defiant of rules would do better by understanding that 
> public order is best served when we comply with some basic codes of 
> etiquette.
> If we go to someone's home and our dog relieves itself on the carpet, 
> thus damaging that person's property, most of us feel it is our 
> responsibility to take care of the problem. When we visit a large 
> hotel, we should also take collective care to not damage the property. 
> As I mentioned in an earlier post, the number of dogs requires we 
> employ different practices than when we are the only guest with a 
> service dog. If we were to allow 400 dogs to relieve on a small patch 
> of grass, the urine would damage the landscape; therefore, we need to 
> employ unusual circumstance of a relief area.
> I know this is redundant, but I say all this again in the hope it will 
> get through to those who may not appreciate how 400 dogs can impact a 
> property's landscape.
> We are working to find solutions to the problems we face during 
> convention, one of which is how to accommodate for so many guide dogs. 
> We have a year to brainstorm and plan how we will solve this problem. 
> If we had an easy, economical alternative, we would be more than 
> willing to consider it. Please let us know your thoughts!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:01 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Isn't requiring guide dog users to pay a fee for a service or 
> participating in an event against our beliefs as an organization?
>
> I've always felt that NAGDU  was opposed to charging guide dog users 
> fees based on their choice to use a guide dog.  I don't know about the 
> legality of doing this in this particular situation, but if the hotel 
> did it, there would be a giant fuss about it.  If we wouldn't put up 
> with it from the hotel, why would we impose it on ourselves?  I'm not 
> trying to start anything, but it seems like a contradiction to me.
>
> Julie
>
>
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