[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

Sat Jul 13 21:29:03 UTC 2013

accidents happen.
but IMO, leaving it there  and not notifying anyone is not an accident.
That is just plain rude and nasty.
I remember one year, it happened during the banquet.
They had to hose down peoples shoes before they went into the banquet.
I could go on and on but I won't.
I just will re-interate that accidents happen, but leaving it is rude and 
nasty.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion

OK, first of all, think about it. All these folks are waiting for elevators.
Someone yells, "There's one open here!" These folks, many of whom don't see
so good, start trying to get to them. There is a bit of a crush that way. If
you don't want to be involved in it, which I don't, you need to just hang
back until the crowd thins. I think this stuff is getting a little
judgmental. Why? First off, you don't really know why some folks are doing
what they are. I believe the cell phone thing is a real issue. I also
believe that some folks have a little of a self-important tendency, or they
feel really strongly about getting where they need to go, so they
temporarily forget that they aren't the only people with somewhere to go.
People have a lot of things pulling them. I think the majority don't mean to
be rude or mean, but we can't write off their behavior that way. This kind
of stuff happens in crowds; it may be more magnified in ours or others of
primarily blind folks. I used to make judgments about doggies having
accidents in the hotel until I had one who did. I had tried and tried to
make him go and he wouldn't; then we got lost while milling about on the
carpet trying to find how to get somewhere, and the dog pooped. We don't
always know the circumstances. I realize that some of what is being said
here happens for sure, but I don't think we want to cast too many stones
before we each search within ourselves to determine if we contributed to it.

CL

On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Danielle Antoine <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Buddy,
>
>
> Ahahahahaha! So right I knew there was something I wanted to add to
> Dar's message! It's unforgettable the mad rush to elevators. I learned
> to hang back a few minutes. I've been to national once with a cane and
> once with my guide. At that first, someone actuallly lost there cane
> down the elevator shaft because of this. When I went with my dog
> guide, I remember having to remind folks trying to sandwich me in
> while waiting for said elevators that I have a dog with me. He handled
> it all well like we were working in New York! Only thing is he
> wouldn't park with the other pups so I had to find a quiet off-limits
> area. Has anyone else notived this with there dogs?
>
> trying to catch an elevator right after general sessions or the
> banquet, a sight to behold and an experience to be had!
>
> How about we start a thread: You know you're at an NFB convention when:
>
> Danielle and eden, who are glad to be back after a long absence
>
> On 7/9/13, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Yes, Cindy they do. I regularly talk to a good friend of mine who says
>> they
>>
>> charge something like $25 for every dog handler. I here its supposed to
>> be a
>>
>> donation but I am really not sure. Maybe are ACB readers can clarify that
>> for us.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>
>>
>>> Does the ACB charge for the dog users to have the privilege of having
>>> relief areas. Also, there was more than one relief area, yes? I thought
>>> they used wood chips, not sand.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Danielle.  I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>
>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal with relief
>>>> areas.
>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing.  I
>>>> apprecaite
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>> work our national Center does to ensure adequate relief areas, but, I'd
>>>> like
>>>> to see a company who does this type of work do this type of work for
>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Danielle A.
>>>> Creapeau
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> It was awesome meeting some of you at convention last week. Valla and I
>>>> didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting because she got snapped at
>>>> by
>>>>
>>>> not
>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did distract on these
>>>> other
>>>> dogs but I corrected and we were almost past them when they jumped out
>>>> from
>>>> under their handlers' chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say,
>>>> she
>>>> was way too wound up to go anywhere after that.
>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that shocked me, made
>>>> me
>>>> think and made me very happy. First of all, I'll say that this was my
>>>> first
>>>> convention so I don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of the park area
>>>> for
>>>> the dogs. It was about the size of a single parking space and from what
>>>> I
>>>> understand, there were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that
>>>> this
>>>> was way too small of a space for all those dogs. Not to mention that
>>>> it's
>>>> filled with sand which gets pretty sludgy with waste and rain water.
>>>> Valla
>>>> wouldn't set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I understand
>>>> it,
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>> White Cane fund takes care of the park areas and I also am aware that
>>>> it
>>>> costs money to set up these relief areas. Is there anything that we as
>>>> a
>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner? Furthermore,
>>>> as
>>>> the week went on, I noticed a lot of accidents near the escalators that
>>>> were
>>>> just left behind for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents
>>>> as
>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought we were
>>>> supposed
>>>> to try to clean them up and tell someone from the hotel staff about it.
>>>> I
>>>> know that these were near escalators but I feel like that's no excuse.
>>>> If
>>>> you're at the bottom of the escalator when it happens, step aside and
>>>> let
>>>> people through but don't just walk away.
>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers who did stand
>>>> by
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>> messes and did their best to clean them up.
>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were on phones,
>>>> eating,
>>>> talking or goofing off while working their dogs too. again, not trying
>>>> to
>>>> imply that these things don't happen but it was frustrating when
>>>> someone
>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her dog distracted
>>>> on
>>>> other people or dogs.
>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who genuinely inspired me
>>>> with
>>>> the bonds they have with their dogs and the way they worked as a team.
>>>> Valla
>>>> and I just met in October of 2012 so we're still feeling each other
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> It
>>>> was just amazing to see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's having a good
>>>> Tuesday.
>>>>
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