[nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
Star Gazer
pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
Thu Jul 18 14:10:32 UTC 2013
To play devil's advocate, how is being sick unusual? It happens to
everybody, and I could argue that we all know how to take care of our dogs
when we aren't feeling well. It's part of being an adult.
Maybe I say this because I like Julie's dog walker idea. It'd be a good
fund-raiser. It'd be a chance for people who for whatever reason don't have
dogs (or even if they do) to do something to help NAGDU, both as an
organization, and to help the individual members.
Dog walkers wouldn't be forced on anybody, it'd just be an option people
could use or not use.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 9:37 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
I think the number of guide dog users is the same, but the ratio of cane to
dog users is different between NFB and ACB conventions. At least, it
definitely seems like there are more dog users at an ACB convention.
I agree. Most of us prefer to take our own dogs out especially in a new
environment unless we are sick or something.
On 7/13/13, Margo and Arrow <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
> Oh my, no, we don't want dog walkers. Now, one time, I was ill and
> asked one of the Seeing Eye Instructors if he'd take my dog out but
> that was an unusual circumstance and it happened only once.
>
> Margo andArrow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
> Association of Guide Dog Users
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:14 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> Lyn,
>
> There are specific NFB staff people assigned to maintaining the relief
> areas. They police the areas three or four time each day and
> completely change out the material at least twice during convention, more
if needed.
> The relief area has been a challenge for us through the years and we
> are continually working to make it better. It is very difficult due to
> the sheer numbers of dog we have at our conventions. I know some have
> cited the ACB's way of doing things. Again, the difference is in the
> numbers. Our conventions draw nearly 3000 participants compared to the
> 1000 or so at ACB.
> If the percentage of guide dog users is the same - and I suspect it is
> - we have 2-1/2 times more dogs. I have also heard, but do not know
> this for sure, that ACB has volunteer dog walkers to take the dogs
> out and pick up after them, something NFB does not and would not have!
> We are always open to suggestions of how we can make this whole
> experience better. I think the bottom line is that we need more
> cooperation from the guide dog users present to make it work. With 350
> - 400 dogs in one place, this is the rub!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of L Gwizdak
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 4:18 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
> I was wondering if there are specific times when large numbers of
> guide dog users are in the dog relief area - at least morning, noon,
> suppertime, and before bed? I realize that people don't pick up for
> whatever reasons and the fact is that there is alot of dog poop there.
> I realize that the conventions are held in really ripping hot places
> and having someone out at the relief areas all day is not a reasonable
> thing to ask anyone to do - paid or volunteer. Why not have someone
> to go clean up the relief areas after the high use times of the day and a
couple of other times in between?
>
> That way, the areas will remain reasonably clean. Maybe a local dog
> club, Boy Scouts looking to earn a volunteer badge? Maybe we give
> them lunch and soft drinks as a thank you for a thankless job done?
>
> Yes, there are people who can't clean up after their own dogs. But
> there are very lazy people as well who either didn't learn how to pick
> up (hard to think any school nowadays doesn't teach this skill) or
> forgot how, or just don't give a crap (pun intended). Whatever the
> reason, the relief area gets full of nasty stuff and it needs to be
> cleaned up. Especially if there's
> 400 dogs using the area!
>
> All that can be done is to encourage folks to do the right thing -
> clean up or have a buddy help with the task.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>
>
>> Ok... Sorry. You're right. I suppose that was a little much. I
>> was exaggerating. I do know people who have trouble picking up after
>> dogs for that reason so I understand.
>>
>> On 7/11/13, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Telling off someone who doesn't pick up just sounds mean. Why not
>>> set the expectations and offer to show people who for whatever
>>> reason don't know how to pick up? Also, how would people for
>>> whatever reason can't pick up be handled? Someone who can't bend comes
to mind.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie
>>> McGinnity
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 4:56 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>
>>> Julie, what a great idea! I would definitely love to mentor people
>>> new to convention with their dogs and could probably help to gather
>>> up others who would be willing to help. Ok... Marion, I will not
>>> forget.
>>>
>>> I think we should also make sure people at the information tables
>>> know about the relief areas. Sometimes they don't. It might also
>>> be good to have people policing the relief areas. At least, that's
>>> a fantacy, since I doubt anyone would volunteer to stand out in the
>>> heat helping other people find the trash can and telling off those
>>> who don't pick up. Perhaps one day if we have enough money to pay
>>> people for this job...
>>>
>>> It would also be good if the sound on the trashcans actually worked
>>> throughout the week.
>>>
>>> I agree with Julie. I think there should be a phone number for
>>> people to call if they have dog related issues. I met someone by
>>> the elevator who was watching someone's dog because the handeler had
>>> to go into the hospital.
>>> So
>>> for things like that it would be good--and for things like finding
>>> the relief area, accidents in the hotel, or perhaps even advice on
>>> behavior issues or help finding a trainer in those situations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/10/13, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>>> hi, Mary I am gl
>>>> On 7/10/2013 9:38 AM, Mary Wurtzel wrote:
>>>>> Hello,ad that you guys did well. It's so fun when our dogs do well
>>>>> in complicated situations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought this would be a place for me to report on our first
>>>>> convention.
>>>>> First, I would also be happy to make a donation to help with the
>>>>> cost of the relief area. However, Felix refused to go into the
>>>>> box. I tried several times. I put him in, which is no small
>>>>> task, and he just jumped back out.
>>>>> I had to find grass. It was hard to pickup because the grass is
>>>>> so long there. Otherwise, we did a fantastic job. I attended the
>>>>> NAGDU meetings.
>>>>> I just wish there would have been a way to actually socialize with
>>>>> other guide dog users. Maybe next year when we are a pro team we
>>>>> can host a party, lol.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>>>>> stigile
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 11:06 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mike
>>>>> IAM wondering if it might be possible to have a button on the
>>>>> registration process in preregistration online It could be a
>>>>> button that people can check that they want to pay $25 or not
>>>>> check if they don't want to but I would be willing to pay 25 if I
>>>>> was coming across that on convention registration Just my thought
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:28 AM, "Michael Hingson"
>>>>> <info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems to me that during the pre registration process there
>>>>>> should be a mechanism to pay something like $25 toward the relief
>>>>>> area. It could be mandatory for guide dog users, but I would
>>>>>> rather try first a voluntary donation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 07:15 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, in the registration material for the convention, you would
>>>>>> say, "If
>>>>> you
>>>>>> are bringing a guide dog, you must pay $25; maybe it could be $20
>>>>>> if you pre-registered. You can't count on people to come to NAGDU
>>>>>> to pay this
>>>>> fee.
>>>>>> There are far more dogs than there are people who attend, which
>>>>>> is another issue entirely. LOL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 8:55 AM, "Tracy Carcione"
>>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that part of the problem was that a lot of people
>>>>>>> didn't/don't
>>>>>> come to NAGDU meetings, so they could pretend they didn't know
>>>>>> there was a relieving fee. I think it was talked about in
>>>>>> convention literature
>>>>> before
>>>>>> the convention, but it still depended on people finding NAGDU to
>>>>>> pay up.
>>>>> It
>>>>>> was a long time ago, but that's what I think.
>>>>>>> With childcare, one brings the child to a certain area, so the
>>>>>>> fee can be
>>>>>> assessed there. Now I'm picturing a turnstile by the relief
>>>>>> area, so a person has to pay to get in! Which would just make
>>>>>> people take their dogs elsewhere.
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray"
>>>>>>> <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:06 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think we need to do it again. I don't think it was $25 though.
>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>> thinking it was $15. No matter. Ed and Toni asked for it as a
>>>>>> donation, I think. I am not sure how we would get everyone to
>>>>>> live into it, but people have to pay for childcare. No pay, no
childcare.
>>>>>> If we knew in advance of the convention we were paying it, then
>>>>>> we need to work it into our
>>>>> budgets.
>>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:47 AM, "Tracy Carcione"
>>>>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> NAGDU did try charging a $25 fee some time ago, like in the
>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>> '90's.
>>>>>> It only lasted a few years, so I guess something about it wasn't
>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray"
>>>>>>>>> <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 5:44 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The collection was taken up and didn't even come close to
>>>>>>>>>> covering the
>>>>>> cost of the relief areas. If the relief areas are $3500 to
>>>>>> maintain, we didn't even touch it. I am not sure what we
>>>>>> collected, and there was a collection at the exhibit hall as well.
>>>>>> I would be surprised if we picked
>>>>> up
>>>>>> 1/3 of the cost in donations, but I wouldn't swear to that either.
>>>>>> A fee would hold us all equally responsible. I would think that
>>>>>> some
>>>>> arrangements
>>>>>> could be made on a case by case basis if such a fee was too much
>>>>>> for someone, but it would need to be something that was done
>>>>>> privately and without the knowledge of the rest of us.
>>>>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:42 PM, d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A collection was made in the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>> Glad nagdu helps with this as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> I need to find the meeting for Wednesday, I went to another
>>>>>>>>>>> event
>>>>> that
>>>>>> interested me.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you send it again?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should all have to pay a fee same as people
>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>> children
>>>>>> come to childcare. I understand that that is some different, but
>>>>>> the dog relief, like the childcare, is a cost incurred for those
>>>>>> who have the dogs or children there. I think we need to truly
>>>>>> fund it by charging for it.
>>>>> Even
>>>>>> though I did not bring Fisher, I would be willing to pay a fee
>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, dcreapeau at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree, that would be nice. If we had to fundraise for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, I for
>>>>>> one would be glad to do what I can.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Margo and Arrow"
>>>>>> <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Danielle. I know what you mean by the topics you raised.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A C B uses a company or two whose only job is to deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with relief
>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like for Nagdu to figure out how to do the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I apprecaite the work our national Center does to ensure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adequate relief areas, but, I'd like to see a company who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does this type of
>>>>>> work do this type of work for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Margo and Arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>> Danielle
>>>>>> A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creapeau
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 3:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] National Convention--my opinion Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone, It was awesome meeting some of you at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convention last week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valla and I didn't attend Monday night's NAGDU meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because she got snapped at by not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 but 2 dogs. I'm the first to admit that she did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distract on these other dogs but I corrected and we were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost past them when they jumped out from under their
handlers'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chairs and tried to come at her. Needless to say, she was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way too wound up to
>>>>>> go anywhere after that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I noticed a lot of things during the week that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked me, made me think and made me very happy. First
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all, I'll say that this was my first convention so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know if some of these things are commonplace at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convention or not. I was sort of shocked by the size of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the park area for the dogs. It was about the size of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single parking space and from what I understand, there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were a couple hundred dogs in attendance. I felt that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this was way too small
>>> of a space for all those dogs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention that it's filled with sand which gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty sludgy with waste and rain water. Valla wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set foot in the box and I didn't blame her. As I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand it, the White Cane fund takes care of the park
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> areas and I also am aware that it costs money to set up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these relief areas. Is there anything that we as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> division can be doing to make the area bigger or cleaner?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, as the week went on, I noticed a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accidents near the escalators that were just left behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for someone else to clean up. Valla had her accidents as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well; I'm not saying that they don't happen but I thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we were supposed to try to clean them up and tell someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the hotel
>>>>>> staff about it. I know that these were near escalators but I feel
>>>>>> like that's no excuse. If you're at the bottom of the escalator
>>>>>> when it
>>>>> happens,
>>>>>> step aside and let people through but don't just walk away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That being said, I'm sure there were plenty of handlers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who did stand by the messes and did their best to clean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was really surprised by the amount of people who were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on phones, eating, talking or goofing off while working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their dogs too. again, not trying to imply that these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things don't happen but it was frustrating when someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else was too busy doing something else while his or her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog distracted on other people or
>>>>>> dogs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did, however, meet a whole bunch of people who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genuinely inspired me with the bonds they have with their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs and the way they worked as a team. Valla and I just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> met in October of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012 so we're still feeling each other out. It was just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazing to
>>>>>> see teams that flow together so beautifully.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, that's just my take on the week. Hope everyone's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having a good Tuesday.
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National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation
of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of
Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For
God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who
believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life."
John 3:16
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