[nagdu] blazing trails with tails.

[Darla Rogers]

Sorry, Julie; must be heat exhausted still.  I'm thinking of all the good
cues we no longer have that we once learned and trying to find replacements.
	BTW, is there an o&m list one can join if one isn't too talkative
but can listen and learn?
Very apologetically,
Darla


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:20 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] blazing trails with tails.

Darla,

I'm confused.  what was it about what I wrote that set your teeth on edge? 
Or are you referring to a different Julie?  I think there are at least three
Julie's on the list.

I learned O&M via the structure discovery methodology.  You learn a basic
set of skills and the ability to apply them in a wide variety of situations,
which enables you to go where ever you like without needing specific
instruction on the route.

I'm not a big fan of waiting on  other people so I can go do what I want to
do.  I'm glad I learned O&M the way I did.  It fits me and my needs quite
well.

Julie


-----Original Message-----
From: Darla Rogers
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:56 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] blazing trails with tails.

Dear Marion,
That is what I was trying to say, but Julie's points about route teaching
set my teeth on edge so bad; while there aren't as many of the kinds of cues
apparently Julie and I learned, there are still an awful lot of tools that
can be used that will help you most anywhere you travel.
Darla & Huck


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
Association of Guide Dog Users
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 5:09 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] blazing trails with tails.

Daniel,
If I got O&M every time I went to a new place I would be getting it every
day! I think good O&M teaches you to apply your skills wherever you may be,
so there is no need to get an orientation every time!

Marion



-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of daniel
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:38 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] blazing trails with tails.

Hey guys, as yall know I'm going to be moving to a new town for college
quite soon. While I was in training (I can't remember if it was an
instructor or not) someone off-handedly said something like, always have a
sighted person help you on a new route or something.I've always been a
really independent person trying new routes and what not. I can understand
getting some orientation help in a new place but for everything? How do yall
feel about going new places without an advanced orientation session or such?
Do yall usually stick to a preplanned set of routes or do yall sometimes go
new places just for the heck of it? I'm asking this from a dog users
perspective, how does your dog react on a new route or a place, and
especially if any of yall have moved to a new city or home, how did yall get
used to the new surroundings?

Thanks,

Dan

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