[nagdu] close call

[Howard J. Levine]

Both are the handler and the school, but school should no better and do the
right thing and dog should had never made through the program.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:52 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call

Just out of curiosity, why should it be the school that removes the dog from
being a guide?  I'm wondering why the handler shouldn't be the one
responsible?

Julie

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard J. Levine
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call

That is not a guide dog and any guide dog would bite person that school must
take that dog out of service atwonce.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:34 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call

Hello Nicole and all- Any dog can become aggressive if not trained and or
handled properly. In the case of the pit bull, they have been mistreated and
mishandled by unskrupleless   handlers who have use the breed  for monetary
gain (dog fights). Which is unacceptable  and abusive. Also, there have been
a ccounts of other breeds such as Labradors, golden retrievers who have
attacked for no reason. When I was at convention there were several
incidences of a dog either attacking another dog and or biting a person. One
incident took place in the lobby of the hotel, where the handler did not
have hold of the leach and another dog handler was passing by and the dog
who was lying down while the handler was talking got up and lunged at the
other dog while barking. Another incident was when I was coming out of an
elevator and another dog attacked my dog and she had to defend herself.
However, the worst incident took place when a woman was checking in to her
room and she did not have her dog properly secured and as a young woman was
passing by, the dog jumped over the luggage  and preceded to bite the young
woman twice as well as bite another dog. I think we really need to be
careful not to make assumptions and stereotypes, because all it does is
cause prejudice and misunderstandings.
Tina and the girls

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Torcolini
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:06 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call

Some pit bulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including the
sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific legislation
is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
banning a wonderful breed.

For the reasons stated at this website:
http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php.

It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, at
least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford a
traditional leash.

I am not trying to stereotype, but it is probably more likely that someone
who is homeless has a pit-bull for protection than for a pet. Also, from
what I read on the above website, it sounds like the rope leash would not
have done much good had the pit bulls decided to try to run away from their
owners.

Maybe what needs to happen is breed specific legislation, but those who have
pit bulls who are well trained can somehow get them exempt.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:32 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call

Some pitbulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including the
sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific legislation
is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
banning a wonderful breed.

It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, at
least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford a
traditional leash.

It sounds like there was a fence between you guys, regardless what happened.

I'm glad you are okay.

Meghan
On 7/23/2013 4:16 AM, Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire wrote:
> hi, all,
> Sub says it all.
> A couple of hours ago while I was parking Odie in the north yard, five
people started walking past us.
> Two individuals happened to have pit bulls, a breed which is banned in 
> the
city and county of Denver.
> Although the dogs were leashed, it wasn't a proper one as my friend 
> Dolly
described that it was more of a rope type leash.
> Luckily, no one was hurt, but I found it disturbing that those 
> individuals
knowing that the pit bull breed is banned would sneak them into the county.
> The group was obviously homeless or just street individuals.
> Dolly told me that as soon as she saw the pit bulls, she immediately 
> went
back up the stairs in the lobby.
> My partner Odie did something which I didn't expect.
> He knew those dogs weren't nice, so figured for mine and his safety, 
> he
pulled me over to the other side of the yard.
> During the incident, one of our residents happened to be outside on 
> the
sidewalk with her walker and her small chihuhua, Baby.
> She was very lucky that our building security guard as out there.
> Although I did notify Denver police about the illegal dogs, I'll still
have to contact Animal Control, giving that this was the second time those
two dogs were walked by our apartment complex.
> Dolly told me she saw them yesterday during lunch hour as well.
> Am glad the iron fence was in between the banned pit bulls, Odie and I.
> Dolly told me they were smaller than Odie was, but she was concerned 
> for
her dog, Easter's safety.
> She did mention that one of her dogs was a pit bull, but properly 
> trained
to be a well-mannered four-legged furry kid.
> I just took Odie out a few minutes ago, and we definitely took the 
> garage
to the south stairwell on up the stairs and out into the south yard instead.
> I wasn't chancing going out to the north yard, given that there's no
security guards right now.
> God was watching over Odie and I along with Dale.
> bibi and son Odie
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