[nagdu] close call

Sat Jul 27 14:20:45 UTC 2013

that is a tirific post. You make good points.
On 7/27/2013 6:44 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> Dog's change over time, just like people do.  That dog could have been 
> the model citizen of guide dogs at graduation. There's no way to 
> predict the future.
>
> Dog attacks from random dogs on the street are a huge, huge 
> contributor to a change in personality towards other dogs.  You could 
> start with a lovely, well behaved and sociable dog.  Then have three 
> or four nasty encounters with ill behaved beasts and now your lovely 
> guide learns to be proactive. No more standing around to see if other 
> dogs are nice or safe.  Now she'll make it well known that nobody is 
> going to mess with her.
>
> How would the school know something like this?  How would they be able 
> to predict it?  How could they prevent it?  How could they know better?
>
> Also why shouldn't the handler know better and do the right thing?
>
> We talk a lot here about wanting ownership, wanting to be treated like 
> responsible adults, wanting equal treatment and the like.  In my 
> opinion that means we have to step up to the plate and start acting 
> responsibly. That means all the time, even when it's unpleasant or 
> hard.  I would really like to see a shift in thinking to viewing the 
> guide dog schools as a resource, a place where people can go for 
> support, ideas, or help with a particular working situation. We have 
> to stop relying on them to be the dog police.
>
> When you stop being responsible, you give up a piece of your 
> independence. Letting others make decisions for you is letting them 
> have power over you. Being an adult means you have to be responsible 
> for your actions and those of your dog, all the time, every day, even 
> when it's embarrassing or hard or heart wrenching.  Kids have the 
> benefit of adults to take care of them, to take care of the hard 
> decisions and to protect them.  Adults do not.  We have to start 
> acting like adults if we want to be treated like adults.
>
> JMO
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Howard J. Levine
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:19 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Both are the handler and the school, but school should no better and 
> do the
> right thing and dog should had never made through the program.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Just out of curiosity, why should it be the school that removes the 
> dog from
> being a guide?  I'm wondering why the handler shouldn't be the one
> responsible?
>
> Julie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard J. Levine
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> That is not a guide dog and any guide dog would bite person that 
> school must
> take that dog out of service atwonce.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:34 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Hello Nicole and all- Any dog can become aggressive if not trained and or
> handled properly. In the case of the pit bull, they have been 
> mistreated and
> mishandled by unskrupleless   handlers who have use the breed  for 
> monetary
> gain (dog fights). Which is unacceptable  and abusive. Also, there 
> have been
> a ccounts of other breeds such as Labradors, golden retrievers who have
> attacked for no reason. When I was at convention there were several
> incidences of a dog either attacking another dog and or biting a 
> person. One
> incident took place in the lobby of the hotel, where the handler did not
> have hold of the leach and another dog handler was passing by and the dog
> who was lying down while the handler was talking got up and lunged at the
> other dog while barking. Another incident was when I was coming out of an
> elevator and another dog attacked my dog and she had to defend herself.
> However, the worst incident took place when a woman was checking in to 
> her
> room and she did not have her dog properly secured and as a young 
> woman was
> passing by, the dog jumped over the luggage  and preceded to bite the 
> young
> woman twice as well as bite another dog. I think we really need to be
> careful not to make assumptions and stereotypes, because all it does is
> cause prejudice and misunderstandings.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
> Torcolini
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:06 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Some pit bulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in 
> fact...including the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific 
> legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training 
> instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
>
> For the reasons stated at this website:
> http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php.
>
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are 
> homeless, at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't 
> afford a
> traditional leash.
>
> I am not trying to stereotype, but it is probably more likely that 
> someone
> who is homeless has a pit-bull for protection than for a pet. Also, from
> what I read on the above website, it sounds like the rope leash would not
> have done much good had the pit bulls decided to try to run away from 
> their
> owners.
>
> Maybe what needs to happen is breed specific legislation, but those 
> who have
> pit bulls who are well trained can somehow get them exempt.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:32 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Some pitbulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including 
> the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific 
> legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training 
> instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
>
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are 
> homeless, at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't 
> afford a
> traditional leash.
>
> It sounds like there was a fence between you guys, regardless what 
> happened.
>
> I'm glad you are okay.
>
> Meghan
> On 7/23/2013 4:16 AM, Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire wrote:
>> hi, all,
>> Sub says it all.
>> A couple of hours ago while I was parking Odie in the north yard, five
> people started walking past us.
>> Two individuals happened to have pit bulls, a breed which is banned in
>> the
> city and county of Denver.
>> Although the dogs were leashed, it wasn't a proper one as my friend
>> Dolly
> described that it was more of a rope type leash.
>> Luckily, no one was hurt, but I found it disturbing that those
>> individuals
> knowing that the pit bull breed is banned would sneak them into the 
> county.
>> The group was obviously homeless or just street individuals.
>> Dolly told me that as soon as she saw the pit bulls, she immediately
>> went
> back up the stairs in the lobby.
>> My partner Odie did something which I didn't expect.
>> He knew those dogs weren't nice, so figured for mine and his safety,
>> he
> pulled me over to the other side of the yard.
>> During the incident, one of our residents happened to be outside on
>> the
> sidewalk with her walker and her small chihuhua, Baby.
>> She was very lucky that our building security guard as out there.
>> Although I did notify Denver police about the illegal dogs, I'll still
> have to contact Animal Control, giving that this was the second time 
> those
> two dogs were walked by our apartment complex.
>> Dolly told me she saw them yesterday during lunch hour as well.
>> Am glad the iron fence was in between the banned pit bulls, Odie and I.
>> Dolly told me they were smaller than Odie was, but she was concerned
>> for
> her dog, Easter's safety.
>> She did mention that one of her dogs was a pit bull, but properly
>> trained
> to be a well-mannered four-legged furry kid.
>> I just took Odie out a few minutes ago, and we definitely took the
>> garage
> to the south stairwell on up the stairs and out into the south yard 
> instead.
>> I wasn't chancing going out to the north yard, given that there's no
> security guards right now.
>> God was watching over Odie and I along with Dale.
>> bibi and son Odie
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