[nagdu] close call

[Star Gazer]

I'd be curious to know the school also, but after the below post, I wouldn't
post it either. 
Any school could make a bone headed judgement. And, of course Howard, you
can say "I'd never let it go on that long". You are only reading about
Rebecca's experience, you aren't living it. The distinction is huge. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J. Levine
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:49 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call

I would have never had let itgo on that long, I I would have given that
guide dog back sonner to the school. That tranier was dead wrong he just did
not want to say that dog should not be a guide, you should have gone to head
of school above the traning department. It would be nice to know what school
it was but I know you won't say on the list. I have problems with a guide
dog school when I got my first two dogs and I can say the traing department
did not good job and thay caused mo problems this school and head of the
school is now working to make thingswwrite at this school, I had to go to
another school and guide dog is working must better for me. It is about
there jobs and numbers for the training departments at schools.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Ilniski
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call

Back in 2010 I had a dog that was aggressive as he would lunge and growl at
other dogs.  I worked for 3 years from 07 to 2010 trying to work with him as
he did well in all other situations.  I knew that I could never go to a
convention or somewhere where I knew there would be a lot of dogs around.  I
worked with a trainer that had worked for a long time at the school.  There
were three things that went on.  In 08 I was pulled down when I attempted to
relieve my dog as he went after a guy who had 2 
dogs across the street.   I sprained my ankle.  In 09 I went to New York 
to visit a friend.  While I was drinking a soda and sitting on a bench, my
dog took off growling at a lady who had a small dog.  Yes I was sitting on
my dog's leash but since he pulled hard he got away and almost ran in to the
road.  I called the school and wanted to have him go back for some extensive
training.  When I spoke to the trainer I was working with, he stated that I
needed to find a different way of holding him and yada yada yada.  I told
him if I had another episode that the dog was going to be retired
immediately and no uncertain terms was I going to continue working this dog.
The final straw came on August 13,
2010 on my way to Williamsport to visit my parents.  I had gotten off of the
bus to relieve my dog and transfer buses.  As I stood there, someone with a
dog came up and I was immediately pulled down.  No growling from either dog
took place.  The driver was shocked and told the guy to take his dog out of
the area as I was being drug in the parking lot among buses.  I never let go
of the leash and am lucky I only sustained some scrapes.  The driver was
shocked as he didn't think service dogs were supposed to behave this way.  I
stated that he was a dog and dogs will be dogs and said they are generally
not supposed to do these types of things.  That afternoon I called the
school and spoke to the head of training and he was retired.  I placed him
in a nice home and still hear stories about him sometimes.  I to this day
have no idea how he made it through training.  That's my experience of guide
dogs that are aggressive.  I think he wanted to play as he never bit a dog
but when I heard him growl it sure didn't sound like it.

--
Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilniski at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/rebeccai5
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