[nagdu] Pattern of Aggressive Dogs and Lack of Handler Control

Julie J. julielj at neb.rr.com
Tue Jul 30 12:06:35 UTC 2013


Is there a trend toward using pit bulls as service dogs?  And aggressive pit 
bulls as service dogs?  I have honestly never heard of such a thing. Where 
did you get this info?

Julie




-----Original Message----- 
From: Jimmy
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:36 PM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nagdu] Pattern of Aggressive Dogs and Lack of Handler Control

Greetings I agree with those who replied to yesterdays posting of mine.There 
has been a concerning growing rate of dog bites and attacks. In a recenty 
study over a five year period, 2/3rds of the cases dealth with by A philly 
hospital were by Pit Bulls. Email me if you want the citation of the 
journal. The point is if you have a dog, one lapse in judgemtn can be 
detremental and may be something you will have to live with the rest of your 
life. Especially if you have an aggressive Pit as a service animal. And 
further, if they are with their fellow friend dog, who is part of their 
pack, they are even more so aggressive. Unfortuneately, I was in the wrong 
place at the wrong time. As our animals are an extension of us, even in 
cases where the dog becomes aggressive and attacks another applied; and thus 
we should be accountable. Perhaps some do's and don't  and discussing when 
you should retire and quit usingg a dog would be appropriate sometime. I 
wish that on no one. Everyone have a great week!

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> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:43:27 -0400
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>    bed
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> So do I. But, I put a nicre fluffy blanket on so that they can be more
> comfy!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
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>> I have a leather couch and the dogs are allowed on it.  Of all the 
>> couches
>> I've had, I think the leather is the easiest to take care of if you let
>> dogs on it.  I just wipe it off with a damp cloth once in a while and 
>> every
>> so often go over it with a leather conditioner.  I do make sure to keep
>> nails trimmed and finish with the grinder so there are no sharp edges.
>>
>> My dogs are allowed on the couch at will.  They know off and if I want to
>> sit where they are, they have to move.  Usually though I don't even have
>> to tell them off.  They just see a person coming and move.
>>
>> They are also allowed on my bed.  They used to sleep in there a lot, but
>> neither of them do much anymore.  It's the same rules, if I say off, I
>> mean off and off it is.
>>
>> For me it's a harness rule.  In harness means no furniture.  Out of
>> harness means make yourself comfortable.  If I go to someone's home, I
>> generally leave him in harness unless I know the people very well, and
>> know for certain they don't care about dogs on the furniture.
>> Interestingly though, Monty will not get on friend's furniture or at 
>> least
>> he never has.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Nicole Torcolini
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:34 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Ugh, definitely agreed. The only time that my dog has gotten up on
>> something
>> that she was not supposed to was one time when she was confused about the
>> meaning of up. I meant up as in stand up from sitting down, but she
>> thought
>> that I wanted her to jump up on something. It was not that big of a deal,
>> and she got down immediately when I told her to. Jumping on couches
>> without
>> permission is a big no no for any dogs that have lived with my parents,
>> Lexia included, because my parents have leather couches. So, given that
>> this
>> was her first home when I got her, she never really got a chance to
>> develop
>> a bad habit of jumping on furniture.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>> established
>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch 
>> and
>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my clothing
>> as
>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it
>> just
>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence, 
>> the
>> strict rules.
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>> bed
>>>
>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>
>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>> new
>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>> enough?
>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:52:53 -0400
> From: "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU on facebook and twitter
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> Tina,
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> Marion Gwizdala
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:15 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] NAGDU on facebook and twitter
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:18:25 -0600
> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sensing a Pattern- Needs Addressing
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> Hi, there,
> I can feel your frustration.
> It's not just service dog owners who are at fault, so are pet dog owners.
> I have no problems with Odie running up toward the front door of my 
> apartment.
> He usually lies down for the most part unless I call him to me.
> One piece of advice I can give is to have your dog on a short leash so 
> he/she can be under better control.
> Of course, Odie is a lot older now and not as highly energetic or frisky.
> Best from
> Bibi and son Odie
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:27:47 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
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> Rebecca,
> This is very well written. It explains the creep from "I can manage this" 
> to
> "no, this is not what I should be doing".
> I'm sorry this happened.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Ilniski
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Back in 2010 I had a dog that was aggressive as he would lunge and growl 
> at
> other dogs.  I worked for 3 years from 07 to 2010 trying to work with him 
> as
> he did well in all other situations.  I knew that I could never go to a
> convention or somewhere where I knew there would be a lot of dogs around. 
> I
> worked with a trainer that had worked for a long time at the school. 
> There
> were three things that went on.  In 08 I was pulled down when I attempted 
> to
> relieve my dog as he went after a guy who had 2
> dogs across the street.   I sprained my ankle.  In 09 I went to New York
> to visit a friend.  While I was drinking a soda and sitting on a bench, my
> dog took off growling at a lady who had a small dog.  Yes I was sitting on
> my dog's leash but since he pulled hard he got away and almost ran in to 
> the
> road.  I called the school and wanted to have him go back for some 
> extensive
> training.  When I spoke to the trainer I was working with, he stated that 
> I
> needed to find a different way of holding him and yada yada yada.  I told
> him if I had another episode that the dog was going to be retired
> immediately and no uncertain terms was I going to continue working this 
> dog.
> The final straw came on August 13,
> 2010 on my way to Williamsport to visit my parents.  I had gotten off of 
> the
> bus to relieve my dog and transfer buses.  As I stood there, someone with 
> a
> dog came up and I was immediately pulled down.  No growling from either 
> dog
> took place.  The driver was shocked and told the guy to take his dog out 
> of
> the area as I was being drug in the parking lot among buses.  I never let 
> go
> of the leash and am lucky I only sustained some scrapes.  The driver was
> shocked as he didn't think service dogs were supposed to behave this way. 
> I
> stated that he was a dog and dogs will be dogs and said they are generally
> not supposed to do these types of things.  That afternoon I called the
> school and spoke to the head of training and he was retired.  I placed him
> in a nice home and still hear stories about him sometimes.  I to this day
> have no idea how he made it through training.  That's my experience of 
> guide
> dogs that are aggressive.  I think he wanted to play as he never bit a dog
> but when I heard him growl it sure didn't sound like it.
>
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> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:29:43 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
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> I'd be curious to know the school also, but after the below post, I 
> wouldn't
> post it either.
> Any school could make a bone headed judgement. And, of course Howard, you
> can say "I'd never let it go on that long". You are only reading about
> Rebecca's experience, you aren't living it. The distinction is huge.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J. 
> Levine
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:49 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> I would have never had let itgo on that long, I I would have given that
> guide dog back sonner to the school. That tranier was dead wrong he just 
> did
> not want to say that dog should not be a guide, you should have gone to 
> head
> of school above the traning department. It would be nice to know what 
> school
> it was but I know you won't say on the list. I have problems with a guide
> dog school when I got my first two dogs and I can say the traing 
> department
> did not good job and thay caused mo problems this school and head of the
> school is now working to make thingswwrite at this school, I had to go to
> another school and guide dog is working must better for me. It is about
> there jobs and numbers for the training departments at schools.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Ilniski
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Back in 2010 I had a dog that was aggressive as he would lunge and growl 
> at
> other dogs.  I worked for 3 years from 07 to 2010 trying to work with him 
> as
> he did well in all other situations.  I knew that I could never go to a
> convention or somewhere where I knew there would be a lot of dogs around. 
> I
> worked with a trainer that had worked for a long time at the school. 
> There
> were three things that went on.  In 08 I was pulled down when I attempted 
> to
> relieve my dog as he went after a guy who had 2
> dogs across the street.   I sprained my ankle.  In 09 I went to New York
> to visit a friend.  While I was drinking a soda and sitting on a bench, my
> dog took off growling at a lady who had a small dog.  Yes I was sitting on
> my dog's leash but since he pulled hard he got away and almost ran in to 
> the
> road.  I called the school and wanted to have him go back for some 
> extensive
> training.  When I spoke to the trainer I was working with, he stated that 
> I
> needed to find a different way of holding him and yada yada yada.  I told
> him if I had another episode that the dog was going to be retired
> immediately and no uncertain terms was I going to continue working this 
> dog.
> The final straw came on August 13,
> 2010 on my way to Williamsport to visit my parents.  I had gotten off of 
> the
> bus to relieve my dog and transfer buses.  As I stood there, someone with 
> a
> dog came up and I was immediately pulled down.  No growling from either 
> dog
> took place.  The driver was shocked and told the guy to take his dog out 
> of
> the area as I was being drug in the parking lot among buses.  I never let 
> go
> of the leash and am lucky I only sustained some scrapes.  The driver was
> shocked as he didn't think service dogs were supposed to behave this way. 
> I
> stated that he was a dog and dogs will be dogs and said they are generally
> not supposed to do these types of things.  That afternoon I called the
> school and spoke to the head of training and he was retired.  I placed him
> in a nice home and still hear stories about him sometimes.  I to this day
> have no idea how he made it through training.  That's my experience of 
> guide
> dogs that are aggressive.  I think he wanted to play as he never bit a dog
> but when I heard him growl it sure didn't sound like it.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:39:25 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
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>    Very well put Julie.
> Lots of things can impact how a dog works, dog attacks being one of them.
> Illness is another. These things can happen after a dog leaves training, 
> and
> they can happen gradually.
> Remember, Howard, you are learning a lot from this list. Many of us didn't
> have this information base when we started out.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:45 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Dog's change over time, just like people do.  That dog could have been the
> model citizen of guide dogs at graduation.  There's no way to predict the
> future.
>
> Dog attacks from random dogs on the street are a huge, huge contributor to 
> a
> change in personality towards other dogs.  You could start with a lovely,
> well behaved and sociable dog.  Then have three or four nasty encounters
> with ill behaved beasts and now your lovely guide learns to be proactive.
> No more standing around to see if other dogs are nice or safe.  Now she'll
> make it well known that nobody is going to mess with her.
>
> How would the school know something like this?  How would they be able to
> predict it?  How could they prevent it?  How could they know better?
>
> Also why shouldn't the handler know better and do the right thing?
>
> We talk a lot here about wanting ownership, wanting to be treated like
> responsible adults, wanting equal treatment and the like.  In my opinion
> that means we have to step up to the plate and start acting responsibly.
> That means all the time, even when it's unpleasant or hard.  I would 
> really
> like to see a shift in thinking to viewing the guide dog schools as a
> resource, a place where people can go for support, ideas, or help with a
> particular working situation. We have to stop relying on them to be the 
> dog
> police.
>
> When you stop being responsible, you give up a piece of your independence.
> Letting others make decisions for you is letting them have power over you.
> Being an adult means you have to be responsible for your actions and those
> of your dog, all the time, every day, even when it's embarrassing or hard 
> or
> heart wrenching.  Kids have the benefit of adults to take care of them, to
> take care of the hard decisions and to protect them.  Adults do not.  We
> have to start acting like adults if we want to be treated like adults.
>
> JMO
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Howard J. Levine
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:19 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Both are the handler and the school, but school should no better and do 
> the
> right thing and dog should had never made through the program.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Just out of curiosity, why should it be the school that removes the dog 
> from
> being a guide?  I'm wondering why the handler shouldn't be the one
> responsible?
>
> Julie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard J. Levine
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> That is not a guide dog and any guide dog would bite person that school 
> must
> take that dog out of service atwonce.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:34 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Hello Nicole and all- Any dog can become aggressive if not trained and or
> handled properly. In the case of the pit bull, they have been mistreated 
> and
> mishandled by unskrupleless   handlers who have use the breed  for 
> monetary
> gain (dog fights). Which is unacceptable  and abusive. Also, there have 
> been
> a ccounts of other breeds such as Labradors, golden retrievers who have
> attacked for no reason. When I was at convention there were several
> incidences of a dog either attacking another dog and or biting a person. 
> One
> incident took place in the lobby of the hotel, where the handler did not
> have hold of the leach and another dog handler was passing by and the dog
> who was lying down while the handler was talking got up and lunged at the
> other dog while barking. Another incident was when I was coming out of an
> elevator and another dog attacked my dog and she had to defend herself.
> However, the worst incident took place when a woman was checking in to her
> room and she did not have her dog properly secured and as a young woman 
> was
> passing by, the dog jumped over the luggage  and preceded to bite the 
> young
> woman twice as well as bite another dog. I think we really need to be
> careful not to make assumptions and stereotypes, because all it does is
> cause prejudice and misunderstandings.
> Tina and the girls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole 
> Torcolini
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:06 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Some pit bulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including 
> the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific 
> legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
>
> For the reasons stated at this website:
> http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php.
>
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, 
> at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford 
> a
> traditional leash.
>
> I am not trying to stereotype, but it is probably more likely that someone
> who is homeless has a pit-bull for protection than for a pet. Also, from
> what I read on the above website, it sounds like the rope leash would not
> have done much good had the pit bulls decided to try to run away from 
> their
> owners.
>
> Maybe what needs to happen is breed specific legislation, but those who 
> have
> pit bulls who are well trained can somehow get them exempt.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:32 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>
> Some pitbulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including the
> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific 
> legislation
> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training instead of
> banning a wonderful breed.
>
> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are homeless, 
> at
> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't afford 
> a
> traditional leash.
>
> It sounds like there was a fence between you guys, regardless what 
> happened.
>
> I'm glad you are okay.
>
> Meghan
> On 7/23/2013 4:16 AM, Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire wrote:
>> hi, all,
>> Sub says it all.
>> A couple of hours ago while I was parking Odie in the north yard, five
> people started walking past us.
>> Two individuals happened to have pit bulls, a breed which is banned in
>> the
> city and county of Denver.
>> Although the dogs were leashed, it wasn't a proper one as my friend
>> Dolly
> described that it was more of a rope type leash.
>> Luckily, no one was hurt, but I found it disturbing that those
>> individuals
> knowing that the pit bull breed is banned would sneak them into the 
> county.
>> The group was obviously homeless or just street individuals.
>> Dolly told me that as soon as she saw the pit bulls, she immediately
>> went
> back up the stairs in the lobby.
>> My partner Odie did something which I didn't expect.
>> He knew those dogs weren't nice, so figured for mine and his safety,
>> he
> pulled me over to the other side of the yard.
>> During the incident, one of our residents happened to be outside on
>> the
> sidewalk with her walker and her small chihuhua, Baby.
>> She was very lucky that our building security guard as out there.
>> Although I did notify Denver police about the illegal dogs, I'll still
> have to contact Animal Control, giving that this was the second time those
> two dogs were walked by our apartment complex.
>> Dolly told me she saw them yesterday during lunch hour as well.
>> Am glad the iron fence was in between the banned pit bulls, Odie and I.
>> Dolly told me they were smaller than Odie was, but she was concerned
>> for
> her dog, Easter's safety.
>> She did mention that one of her dogs was a pit bull, but properly
>> trained
> to be a well-mannered four-legged furry kid.
>> I just took Odie out a few minutes ago, and we definitely took the
>> garage
> to the south stairwell on up the stairs and out into the south yard 
> instead.
>> I wasn't chancing going out to the north yard, given that there's no
> security guards right now.
>> God was watching over Odie and I along with Dale.
>> bibi and son Odie
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:47:02 -0700
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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> Cindy,
>
> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
> instantly to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>
> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should
> say to me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would
> be a flip off in there somewhere.
>
> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can
> dogs lie, after all? /lol/
>
> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to
> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good. Then
> I go for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>
> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want to
> get one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>
> Tami
>
> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello, 
>> puppy!" I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought 
>> something like that would be so fun because it would totally freak out 
>> the person who spoke to the dog. Yes?
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>
>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the 
>>> path
>>> before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know the dog
>>> won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses intelligent
>>> disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust your dog and 
>>> proceed
>>> to go around the obstacle, you may not know what is in front of you 
>>> blocking
>>> the way. Instead of being led around the unknown obstacle, and perhaps 
>>> not
>>> ever realizing what it could be, you are told by the dog via a 
>>> computerized
>>> voice or text that it is wet cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>
>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named "Facilitating
>>> Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO that is meant to 
>>> help
>>> handlers communicate with their service dogs. According to recent news
>>> articles, the device looks like a typical service dog vest that hugs the
>>> canine's shoulders and back, fastening under the dog's belly. The FIDO 
>>> model
>>> has a compact computer with a microprocessor that sits between the dog's
>>> shoulder blades with several distinctly shaped items which can be pulled 
>>> or
>>> pushed by the dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado 
>>> siren
>>> or alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a tug 
>>> on
>>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>
>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do the 
>>> very
>>> thing described above and much more. Since dogs can understand about 700
>>> words to convey what they see, smell or hear around them, fine tuning 
>>> the
>>> technology that enables us and the dog to communicate better is only a 
>>> tail
>>> wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>
>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google 
>>> glass
>>> or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog chooses to
>>> convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that represents the
>>> information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via a microcomputer to 
>>> the
>>> handler.
>>>
>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though 
>>> researchers
>>> are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be alerted to what the 
>>> dog
>>> sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog that works with its handler 
>>> will
>>> be able to utilize the vest. This is especially encouraging for 
>>> explosive
>>> detection and search and rescue dogs as well as dogs teamed up with 
>>> people
>>> with disabilities.
>>>
>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant from
>>> Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>
>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology came 
>>> up
>>> with this idea after discovering that one of her students worked with a
>>> guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the obstacles the 
>>> dog
>>> avoided.
>>>
>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>
>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-How-a-co
>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>
>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:04:32 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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> I've been thinking about this idea for years and years; maybe it's time 
> has at last come!
>
> CL
>
> On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com> wrote:
>
>> Cindy,
>>
>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes 
>> instantly to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>
>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should say 
>> to me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would be a 
>> flip off in there somewhere.
>>
>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can 
>> dogs lie, after all? /lol/
>>
>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest 
>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain 
>> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to 
>> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good. Then I 
>> go for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!" every 
>> other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>
>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added 
>> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want to 
>> get one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello, 
>>> puppy!" I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought 
>>> something like that would be so fun because it would totally freak out 
>>> the person who spoke to the dog. Yes?
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>
>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the 
>>>> path
>>>> before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know the 
>>>> dog
>>>> won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses intelligent
>>>> disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust your dog and 
>>>> proceed
>>>> to go around the obstacle, you may not know what is in front of you 
>>>> blocking
>>>> the way. Instead of being led around the unknown obstacle, and perhaps 
>>>> not
>>>> ever realizing what it could be, you are told by the dog via a 
>>>> computerized
>>>> voice or text that it is wet cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named "Facilitating
>>>> Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO that is meant to 
>>>> help
>>>> handlers communicate with their service dogs. According to recent news
>>>> articles, the device looks like a typical service dog vest that hugs 
>>>> the
>>>> canine's shoulders and back, fastening under the dog's belly. The FIDO 
>>>> model
>>>> has a compact computer with a microprocessor that sits between the 
>>>> dog's
>>>> shoulder blades with several distinctly shaped items which can be 
>>>> pulled or
>>>> pushed by the dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado 
>>>> siren
>>>> or alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a 
>>>> tug on
>>>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do the 
>>>> very
>>>> thing described above and much more. Since dogs can understand about 
>>>> 700
>>>> words to convey what they see, smell or hear around them, fine tuning 
>>>> the
>>>> technology that enables us and the dog to communicate better is only a 
>>>> tail
>>>> wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>>
>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google 
>>>> glass
>>>> or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog chooses to
>>>> convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that represents the
>>>> information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via a microcomputer 
>>>> to the
>>>> handler.
>>>>
>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though 
>>>> researchers
>>>> are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be alerted to what the 
>>>> dog
>>>> sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog that works with its handler 
>>>> will
>>>> be able to utilize the vest. This is especially encouraging for 
>>>> explosive
>>>> detection and search and rescue dogs as well as dogs teamed up with 
>>>> people
>>>> with disabilities.
>>>>
>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant from
>>>> Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>
>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology came 
>>>> up
>>>> with this idea after discovering that one of her students worked with a
>>>> guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the obstacles the 
>>>> dog
>>>> avoided.
>>>>
>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-How-a-co
>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>
>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:15:53 -0600
> From: "Daniel" <daniel.sweeney1 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sensing a Pattern- Needs Addressing
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> Hey Jimmy,
>
> This is the second time I am replying to this. The first time sounded too
> preachy, so I am trying again.
> I couldn't agree with you more!
> I am so sorry you had a bad experience. I haven't been to a convention 
> yet,
> but I have heard a few things that have made me have a couple of second
> thoughts.
> If a dog attacked my girl, I would go ballistic. She is so sensitive and
> sweet, I just couldn't imagine a dog hurting her in any way.
> I am as protective of her as she is of me.
> I agree completely with you that if your dog is not under control, then 
> you
> should not have that dog. I also believe if that dog is aggressive in any
> way, it has no business being a service dog of any kind.
> If there is an incident with a handler not having control of their dog, 
> they
> should be asked to leave. Then maybe people would think twice before they
> bring their dogs to convention if they are not well behaved.
>
> Daniel and Cass
> Lakewood, Colorado
>
>
>
>
> ---Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:09 AM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Sensing a Pattern- Needs Addressing
>
> Greetings my friends,
>     I  appreciate everyone's comments and input on this list. I have
> learned vast amounts of information since I have joined, and this is due 
> to
> your experiences and concerns expressed . A trend  of comments I have 
> taken
> notice  of is the lack of control dog owners have  on  their own service
> animals. It appears many have had bad experiences either at this 
> convention
> or prior ones. In Orlando this year, my first convention, I unfortunately
> experienced a same scare. A friend of mine was staying a few rooms down 
> from
> me. So me and another friend of mine went for a visit. I had My dog with 
> me.
> We were in the hallway, not even up to the door yet, for we were lagging
> behind. My friend opened the door and all of a sudden I hear two dogs
> barking and viciously growling  coming at Shep and I; they proceeded to 
> jump
> him. One was a slightly larger shepherd that has had a history of 
> aggression
> issues. the other was a pitt . Both were service animals. Shep was 
> obviously
> shaken a little, but he showed no sign and worked wonderfully the rest of
> the day. Of course, I had his back, I dropped Shep's harness and grabbed 
> one
> dogand pulled him off and then the other. As I had each dog in each hand 
> and
> was about   to teach them a little obediaence training of myone but 
> finally
> after about 20 seconds of chaos one of my friends and dog owner of the
> uncontrolled  was finally able to call them in, him being limited himself 
> in
> a wheelchair. Point is this: If you have a service dog, you are 
> responsible
> for that dog- what it does, what it doesn't do. If your dog attacks 
> another,
> you are allowing your dogto potentially affect the future work of
> another.Control your dog. If someone comes to your room or room,  put your
> dog up or tie it down.  If you can't control- Don't open the door! SHow a
> little common sense and courtesy for others;  that way it cannot leave the
> room and be aggressive towards either a person or as in my case, there
> happening to be a guide dog in the hallway.  Having a service animal is a
> important  responsibility that we should take seriously, be respectful of
> others and their dogs,maturely  and responsibly have control of your dog 
> at
> all times. If you cannot do this at all times, you should seriously 
> consider
> ceasing from using a dog as a means of mobility. You obviously cannot 
> handle
> it and it's not for you. It only takes one careless and scatter-brained
> moment to cause injury to yourself, another dog, or another person. 
> Service
> animals are to be an asset, not an added hinderance reluctance to travel. 
> I
> am sure there are many on here  as well as at our schools in which we
> received our dogs, that can give us good guidelines in avoiding such
> occurances.
>
> Sent from the Iphone of
> James Boehm
> KustomCane
> 901-483-1515.
> "don't be plain -Go Kustom Cane!"
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:27:56 -0500
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>    bed
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> Dear Min,
>
>    I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog 
> hair
> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is groomed
> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>    Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her 
> to
> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>    I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
> clearly has no boundaries.
> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly 
> established
> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch and
> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my clothing 
> as
> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it 
> just
> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence, the
> strict rules.
>
> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>> bed
>>
>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>
>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>
>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>
>>> Shannon and Ace
>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>> the bed?
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>> Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>> new
>> bed, lol.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>>    First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>    Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>
>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>> don't know.
>>>>
>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
> enough?
>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:53:29 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>    bed
> Message-ID: <46966C23A7B04399A5CA31FB70EAD2D1 at JuliePC>
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>
> Darla,
>
> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have boundaries.
> They aren't the same as yours though.
>
> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to 
> others
> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I leave
> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have 
> similar
> boundaries as I do.
>
> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty 
> riding
> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is what 
> works
> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid getting 
> hair
> on the bedspread.
>
> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those years
> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was something 
> we
> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than my 
> dog
> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>
> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that it is
> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>
> Julie
>
> From: Darla Rogers
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> Dear Min,
>
> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog 
> hair
> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is groomed
> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her 
> to
> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
> clearly has no boundaries.
> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly 
> established
> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch and
> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my clothing 
> as
> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it 
> just
> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence, the
> strict rules.
>
> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>> bed
>>
>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>
>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>
>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>
>>> Shannon and Ace
>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>> the bed?
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>> Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>> new
>> bed, lol.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>
>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>> don't know.
>>>>
>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
> enough?
>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:01:36 -0400
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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> This reminds me of that book, I think called Congo where the monkey could
> use sign language. The movie version had her using a computer. Very
> interesting and a bit disturbing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:47 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
> Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>
> Cindy,
>
> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes 
> instantly
> to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>
> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should say 
> to
> me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would be a flip
> off in there somewhere.
>
> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can 
> dogs
> lie, after all? /lol/
>
> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to
> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good. Then I 
> go
> for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>
> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want to 
> get
> one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>
> Tami
>
> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello, 
>> puppy!"
> I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought something like
> that would be so fun because it would totally freak out the person who 
> spoke
> to the dog. Yes?
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>
>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the
>>> path before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know
>>> the dog won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses
>>> intelligent disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust
>>> your dog and proceed to go around the obstacle, you may not know what
>>> is in front of you blocking the way. Instead of being led around the
>>> unknown obstacle, and perhaps not ever realizing what it could be,
>>> you are told by the dog via a computerized voice or text that it is wet
> cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>
>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named
>>> "Facilitating Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO
>>> that is meant to help handlers communicate with their service dogs.
>>> According to recent news articles, the device looks like a typical
>>> service dog vest that hugs the canine's shoulders and back, fastening
>>> under the dog's belly. The FIDO model has a compact computer with a
>>> microprocessor that sits between the dog's shoulder blades with
>>> several distinctly shaped items which can be pulled or pushed by the
>>> dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado siren or
>>> alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a tug on
> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>
>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>> the very thing described above and much more. Since dogs can
>>> understand about 700 words to convey what they see, smell or hear
>>> around them, fine tuning the technology that enables us and the dog
>>> to communicate better is only a tail wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>
>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google
>>> glass or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog
>>> chooses to convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that
>>> represents the information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via
>>> a microcomputer to the handler.
>>>
>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>> researchers are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be
>>> alerted to what the dog sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog
>>> that works with its handler will be able to utilize the vest. This is
>>> especially encouraging for explosive detection and search and rescue
>>> dogs as well as dogs teamed up with people with disabilities.
>>>
>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant
>>> from Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>
>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>> came up with this idea after discovering that one of her students
>>> worked with a guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the
>>> obstacles the dog avoided.
>>>
>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>
>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-H
>>> ow-a-co
>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>
>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:45:57 -0400
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>    bed
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> Holly does that sort of thing in our house but is not allowed to do it
> anywhere else. She sometimes gets too exuberant and has to be checked but
> otherwise, its her house too!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
>
>> Darla,
>>
>> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have 
>> boundaries.
>> They aren't the same as yours though.
>>
>> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to
>> others homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means 
>> I
>> leave the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have
>> similar boundaries as I do.
>>
>> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
>> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty
>> riding on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is
>> what works best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid
>> getting hair on the bedspread.
>>
>> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
>> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those 
>> years
>> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was something
>> we weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act
>> like monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than
>> my dog ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the
>> springs.
>>
>> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that it 
>> is
>> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
>> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
>> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
>> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> From: Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Dear Min,
>>
>> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog
>> hair
>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is 
>> groomed
>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
>> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her
>> to
>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>> clearly has no boundaries.
>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>> established
>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch 
>> and
>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my clothing
>> as
>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it
>> just
>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence, 
>> the
>> strict rules.
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>> bed
>>>
>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>
>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>> new
>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>> enough?
>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:52:11 -0600 (MDT)
> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
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> Hi All:
>
> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his tummy 
> area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is done. 
> However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been bothering 
> several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at him and said 
> that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps licking.
>
> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be 
> more comfortable.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:55:16 -0400
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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> It sounds like a cool piece of technology, but it's just going to be
> another piece of equipment that we have to carry around that
> distinguishes us from the rest of the world. Furthermore, it's not
> really practical; I don't want to be walking down the street and
> having this voice announce to me what's in front of me every ten feet
> or so. After all, we were taught techniques during training so we can
> identify what is in front of us. If the dog stops, just reach out and
> you'll find out what's blocking your way. ...
>
> On 7/29/13, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This reminds me of that book, I think called Congo where the monkey could
>> use sign language. The movie version had her using a computer. Very
>> interesting and a bit disturbing.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>> Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>>
>> Cindy,
>>
>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
>> instantly
>> to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>
>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should say
>> to
>> me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would be a flip
>> off in there somewhere.
>>
>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can
>> dogs
>> lie, after all? /lol/
>>
>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
>> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to
>> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good. Then I
>> go
>> for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
>> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>
>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
>> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want to
>> get
>> one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello,
>>> puppy!"
>> I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought something like
>> that would be so fun because it would totally freak out the person who
>> spoke
>> to the dog. Yes?
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>
>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the
>>>> path before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know
>>>> the dog won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses
>>>> intelligent disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust
>>>> your dog and proceed to go around the obstacle, you may not know what
>>>> is in front of you blocking the way. Instead of being led around the
>>>> unknown obstacle, and perhaps not ever realizing what it could be,
>>>> you are told by the dog via a computerized voice or text that it is wet
>> cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named
>>>> "Facilitating Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO
>>>> that is meant to help handlers communicate with their service dogs.
>>>> According to recent news articles, the device looks like a typical
>>>> service dog vest that hugs the canine's shoulders and back, fastening
>>>> under the dog's belly. The FIDO model has a compact computer with a
>>>> microprocessor that sits between the dog's shoulder blades with
>>>> several distinctly shaped items which can be pulled or pushed by the
>>>> dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado siren or
>>>> alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a tug 
>>>> on
>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>>> the very thing described above and much more. Since dogs can
>>>> understand about 700 words to convey what they see, smell or hear
>>>> around them, fine tuning the technology that enables us and the dog
>>>> to communicate better is only a tail wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>>
>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google
>>>> glass or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog
>>>> chooses to convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that
>>>> represents the information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via
>>>> a microcomputer to the handler.
>>>>
>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>>> researchers are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be
>>>> alerted to what the dog sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog
>>>> that works with its handler will be able to utilize the vest. This is
>>>> especially encouraging for explosive detection and search and rescue
>>>> dogs as well as dogs teamed up with people with disabilities.
>>>>
>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant
>>>> from Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>
>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>> came up with this idea after discovering that one of her students
>>>> worked with a guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the
>>>> obstacles the dog avoided.
>>>>
>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-H
>>>> ow-a-co
>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>
>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>
>>>>
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> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:58:22 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crossing a highwayHi there, yes I have some
>    streets I am afraid to cross with until I work with an instructor. I
>    am pleased you say you are afraid if you don't keep it up. The same
>    thing happens to me. I always feel that the schools would hold that
>    against us, if we shared.  I know that when walking down a new walk
>    that I haven't done, I feel as though my dog won't cover both sides.
>    Even though he does. I always fear the rite rite side so my foot
>    doesn't turn over off the sidewalk. Just some things that I work on
>    allot. I
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> Hi there,
> I just did a message don't know if it got to the list or not. I love
> working down town with the folks, and folks are working when we travel
> in the neighborhood.
>
> I understand while I enjoy working down town, Original message:
>> I told that to Walt Sutton. LOL. But of course you have to develop a
>> healthy respect for traffic. I don't go enough, and the places hereare
>> challenging. I can walk around easily downtown, but out here where I
>> live, I have developed some shameful fears.
>
>> CL
>
>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:12 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net> 
>> wrote:
>
>>> After I listened to the TSE traffic lecture, I called a friend and told
>>> her I was never crossing a street again!  It's a scary lecture.
>>> Tracy
>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 4:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crossing a highway
>
>
>>> Seeing Eye traffic lecture says that a dog can?t reliably judge any
>>> faster than 30 MPH, and they don?t train for that. At 30, a car moves a
>>> couple undred feet in just two seconds. Something like that. I have to
>>> dig up the traffic lecture recording. I do remember, anyway, that we
>>> never got such detail at GDB.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>
>>>> Thanks for that, Doug; I had heard something of how dogs can or can't 
>>>> judge
>>>> speed, so this is a very good fact to have when making crossing 
>>>> decisions in
>>>> areas that aren't the safest.
>>>> Darla Who doesn't want to become road pizza
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug 
>>>> Parisian
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:20 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crossing a highway
>
>>>> Tracy, I agree; I have crossed highways only when there is no other 
>>>> option.
>>>> I understand that although a dog may see a car coming, they real can't 
>>>> judge
>>>> whether they will cross before the car hits much above 15 miles per 
>>>> hour.
>
>>>> Doug: getting squished by a car makes one two-dimensional.
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:20 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Crossing a highway
>
>
>>>> : Marilyn, while it's true that a dog will refuse to go if she sees a 
>>>> car
>>>> : coming, it's also true that she can only see so far, and, if a car is
>>>> coming
>>>> : fast, as they do on highways, she may not see it far enough away to 
>>>> react
>>>> : quickly enough to save you both.
>>>> : I know this from both lectures and bitter experience.  I was hit 
>>>> trying to
>>>> : cross Jericho Turnpike one night.
>>>> : I'm with Cindy.  I don't like crossing highways at all anymore.  I 
>>>> know
>>>> : sometimes it's the only way to go, but I would much rather not.
>>>> : Tracy
>>>> :
>>>> :
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:10:22 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
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> Perhaps a little olive oil on the spots would help?  It's moisturizing,
> and won't hurt him if he licks it.
> Tracy
>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his 
>> tummy
>> area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is done.
>> However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been bothering
>> several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at him and 
>> said
>> that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps licking.
>>
>> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be
>> more comfortable.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gary
>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:13:11 -0700
> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
> Message-ID: <51F6B0B7.2080707 at poodlemutt.com>
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> Gary,
>
> Poor boo! Mitzi poodle does get irritated from tummy shaving sometimes
> but not others. It seems to depend on time of year, summer being the
> worst. That's also when she needs the greater cooling from a shaved
> tummy. /smile/
>
> I tend to use Aloe Vera gel on her tummy and other close areas after a
> grooming, since it cools and moisturizes. If her skin still seems dry
> after a day or two, I will use something like Shea Butter (expensive!)
> or olive oil (cheap!) to condition the skin.
>
> If the rash is more than razor burn or something, it might need
> something medicated. I'm not too familiar with those sorts of things.
> Though I have heard of using original brown Listerine as an antiseptic
> that tastes too nasty for the dog to lick. I've never tried it myself,
> though, having no need.
>
> Tami
>
> On 07/29/2013 10:52 AM, GARY STEEVES wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his 
>> tummy area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is 
>> done. However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been 
>> bothering several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at 
>> him and said that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps 
>> licking.
>>
>> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be 
>> more comfortable.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gary
>>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:13:56 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
> Message-ID: e4ec8490-cf78-4e9e-af7b-90653a6b65e7 at samobile.net
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> Original I got the same kind of bed for my dog a year ago, that is
> holding up well.
> I got it from wallmart.
> they have ;large to small, I have the medium crate so this is the bed I 
> got.
> the price isn't bad at all.
> message:
>> I bought a nice one quite a while ago from overstock.com.  It has a
>> removable cover, and the inside is temperpedic foam, flat on one side and
>> egg-carton on the other.  You can't put the foam in the washer, but it 
>> can
>> be wiped clean, according to the manufacturer.
>> Tracy
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mary Wurtzel" <marywurtzel at att.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:05 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>
>
>>> Hello,
>
>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You 
>>> could
>>> remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside filling. 
>>> I
>>> was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let you wash the 
>>> inside.
>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it goes
>>> through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a washable 
>>> dog
>>> bed?  Thanks.
>>> Mary
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:21:13 -0400
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>    bed
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> Julie,
>
> I understand "my house, my rules," but as a guest, I think I deserve
> some consideration; It's just common courtesy. Honestly, I wouldn't
> have minded if she had jumped on the couch next to me and snuggle up,
> but she actually hurt me in the process of leaping on top of me. And I
> agree about the hotel beds; they're always so yucky anyway, the
> thousands and thousands of people that have slept on them. I don't
> think a little dog fur is going to make a huge difference.
>
> Respectfully,
> Minh
> On 7/29/13, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>> Darla,
>>
>> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have 
>> boundaries.
>> They aren't the same as yours though.
>>
>> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to 
>> others
>>
>> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I leave
>> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have 
>> similar
>>
>> boundaries as I do.
>>
>> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
>> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty 
>> riding
>>
>> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is what 
>> works
>>
>> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid getting 
>> hair
>>
>> on the bedspread.
>>
>> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
>> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those 
>> years
>> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was something 
>> we
>>
>> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
>> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than my 
>> dog
>>
>> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>>
>> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that it 
>> is
>> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
>> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
>> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
>> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> From: Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Dear Min,
>>
>> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog 
>> hair
>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is 
>> groomed
>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
>> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her
>> to
>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>> clearly has no boundaries.
>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>> established
>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch 
>> and
>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my clothing
>> as
>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it
>> just
>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence, 
>> the
>> strict rules.
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>> bed
>>>
>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>
>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>> new
>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>> enough?
>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:44:22 -0500
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
> Message-ID: <004e01ce8c8b$a5407210$efc15630$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
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> Dear gary,
>
>    I wonder if they itch or hurt?  I like a product from Tripiclean
> called Oxy-Med; it doesn't have anything harmful in it, and it stops 
> itching
> fast, and I have even used it on my rag doll cat.
> Darla & hardworking Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:52 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>
> Hi All:
>
> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his tummy
> area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is done.
> However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been bothering
> several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at him and said
> that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps licking.
>
> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be 
> more
> comfortable.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:44:22 -0500
> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>    bed
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> Hi Julie,
>
>    I remember those vacation times--not many--but you're right abut
> what we did in hotels.
>    I just know that when I have stayed at hotels with other guide dog
> users, the hotels have complained about the ice buckets being used for 
> water
> dishes and dogs in the beds, so I just don't do it because I don't want to
> be assessed a charge.
>    But you and Min are right:  In your homes, it's your rules; I still
> wouldn't want my dog on your furniture, however. <smile>  No hard 
> feelings,
> I hope.
> Darla & hardworking Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> Darla,
>
> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have boundaries.
> They aren't the same as yours though.
>
> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to 
> others
> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I leave
> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have 
> similar
> boundaries as I do.
>
> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty 
> riding
> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is what 
> works
> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid getting 
> hair
> on the bedspread.
>
> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those years
> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was something 
> we
> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than my 
> dog
> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>
> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that it is
> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>
> Julie
>
> From: Darla Rogers
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> Dear Min,
>
> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog 
> hair
> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is groomed
> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down that
> path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her to
> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog 
> clearly
> has no boundaries.
> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly 
> established
> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch and
> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my clothing 
> as
> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it 
> just
> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence, the
> strict rules.
>
> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>> bed
>>
>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>
>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>
>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>
>>> Shannon and Ace
>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>> the bed?
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>> Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>> new
>> bed, lol.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>
>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>> don't know.
>>>>
>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
> enough?
>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:09:43 -0700
> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
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> Hi, Gary,
>
> You might try aloe cream on the itchy/irritated spots.  It is very 
> soothing
> and pleasant, and the animals, as well as humans, seem to like it's smell 
> as
> well as how it feels.  If the scratching and licking are caused by 
> something
> other than just having been shaved, then you may have to look further for
> solutions, such as getting allergy testing or checking for parasites.
>
> Best,
> Ann
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:52 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>
> Hi All:
>
> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his tummy
> area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is done.
> However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been bothering
> several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at him and said
> that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps licking.
>
> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be 
> more
> comfortable.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:01:54 -0500
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>    bed
> Message-ID: <63D85A3FCF1E4F138DF53467696B2941 at JuliePC>
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> Darla,
>
> LOL!  No worries!
>
> Everyone has their own limits.  I think it's good to talk about the
> differences.  Sometimes, when I first started out on my guide dog 
> adventure,
> it felt like there was one precise way to do everything.  If that way 
> didn't
> work for me, I felt like a failure or that I was wrong.     I'm not
> suggesting that my methods work for everyone, or anyone, but that they do
> work for me.  I hope that in some small way I can help someone else to 
> find
> their own way.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Darla Rogers
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:44 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> I remember those vacation times--not many--but you're right abut
> what we did in hotels.
> I just know that when I have stayed at hotels with other guide dog
> users, the hotels have complained about the ice buckets being used for 
> water
> dishes and dogs in the beds, so I just don't do it because I don't want to
> be assessed a charge.
> But you and Min are right:  In your homes, it's your rules; I still
> wouldn't want my dog on your furniture, however. <smile>  No hard 
> feelings,
> I hope.
> Darla & hardworking Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:53 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> Darla,
>
> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have boundaries.
> They aren't the same as yours though.
>
> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to 
> others
> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I leave
> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have 
> similar
> boundaries as I do.
>
> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty 
> riding
> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is what 
> works
> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid getting 
> hair
> on the bedspread.
>
> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those years
> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was something 
> we
> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than my 
> dog
> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>
> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that it is
> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>
> Julie
>
> From: Darla Rogers
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> Dear Min,
>
> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog 
> hair
> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is groomed
> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down that
> path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her to
> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog 
> clearly
> has no boundaries.
> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>
> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly 
> established
> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch and
> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my clothing 
> as
> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it 
> just
> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence, the
> strict rules.
>
> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>> bed
>>
>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>
>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>
>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>
>>> Shannon and Ace
>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>> the bed?
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>> Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>> new
>> bed, lol.
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Julie,
>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>
>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>> don't know.
>>>>
>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
> enough?
>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:03:25 -0500
> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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> Let's take it even further...  Someone pets my dog, and the voice says
> something like "You aren't supposed to pet me...  Five seconds until I
> bite."  Of course, then the vest would have to distinguish between the
> handeler petting and strangers, but I can dream.
>
> I have to agree with Min here.  I don't want to walk around campus
> hearing "tree" "car" or "person!"  That would be too much.
>
> On 7/29/13, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It sounds like a cool piece of technology, but it's just going to be
>> another piece of equipment that we have to carry around that
>> distinguishes us from the rest of the world. Furthermore, it's not
>> really practical; I don't want to be walking down the street and
>> having this voice announce to me what's in front of me every ten feet
>> or so. After all, we were taught techniques during training so we can
>> identify what is in front of us. If the dog stops, just reach out and
>> you'll find out what's blocking your way. ...
>>
>> On 7/29/13, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This reminds me of that book, I think called Congo where the monkey 
>>> could
>>> use sign language. The movie version had her using a computer. Very
>>> interesting and a bit disturbing.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>> Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
>>> instantly
>>> to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>>
>>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should 
>>> say
>>> to
>>> me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would be a 
>>> flip
>>> off in there somewhere.
>>>
>>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can
>>> dogs
>>> lie, after all? /lol/
>>>
>>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
>>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
>>> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to
>>> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good. Then 
>>> I
>>> go
>>> for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
>>> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>>
>>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
>>> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want to
>>> get
>>> one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello,
>>>> puppy!"
>>> I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought something like
>>> that would be so fun because it would totally freak out the person who
>>> spoke
>>> to the dog. Yes?
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the
>>>>> path before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know
>>>>> the dog won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses
>>>>> intelligent disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust
>>>>> your dog and proceed to go around the obstacle, you may not know what
>>>>> is in front of you blocking the way. Instead of being led around the
>>>>> unknown obstacle, and perhaps not ever realizing what it could be,
>>>>> you are told by the dog via a computerized voice or text that it is 
>>>>> wet
>>> cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named
>>>>> "Facilitating Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO
>>>>> that is meant to help handlers communicate with their service dogs.
>>>>> According to recent news articles, the device looks like a typical
>>>>> service dog vest that hugs the canine's shoulders and back, fastening
>>>>> under the dog's belly. The FIDO model has a compact computer with a
>>>>> microprocessor that sits between the dog's shoulder blades with
>>>>> several distinctly shaped items which can be pulled or pushed by the
>>>>> dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado siren or
>>>>> alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a tug
>>>>> on
>>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>>>> the very thing described above and much more. Since dogs can
>>>>> understand about 700 words to convey what they see, smell or hear
>>>>> around them, fine tuning the technology that enables us and the dog
>>>>> to communicate better is only a tail wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google
>>>>> glass or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog
>>>>> chooses to convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that
>>>>> represents the information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via
>>>>> a microcomputer to the handler.
>>>>>
>>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>>>> researchers are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be
>>>>> alerted to what the dog sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog
>>>>> that works with its handler will be able to utilize the vest. This is
>>>>> especially encouraging for explosive detection and search and rescue
>>>>> dogs as well as dogs teamed up with people with disabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant
>>>>> from Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>> came up with this idea after discovering that one of her students
>>>>> worked with a guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the
>>>>> obstacles the dog avoided.
>>>>>
>>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-H
>>>>> ow-a-co
>>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
>
>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dailyah <dailyahpatt at yahoo.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] GDB questions - please reply off-list! Thanks!
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> Hi All!
>
> I know we have a lot of GDB grads on the list, but I'm hoping someone here 
> works for them, has employment history with them, or maybe served on their 
> Board. ?I'd appreciate email if that describes you.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Dailyah
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:15:28 -0400
> From: jeff crouch <kd8qiq at gmail.com>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
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> Hello everyone,
> My name is jeff crouch, and I am 16 years old and am going to start
> training with a guide dog on auguist 18th at Pilet dogs.
>
> I am wanting to know about something that I was told by a manager at a
> place where I workout at. She told me that I will not be able to bring
> my guide dog in because one of her clients who works out at that gym
> is allergic to dogs and that the client made a ordeal about the last
> service dog that came in. I don't know how to preseed, weather I just
> leave it alone and not take the dog when I go to workout, or what I
> should do. Advice would be greatly apreschated.
> thanks
>
> -- 
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> KD8QIQ
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>
>
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:54:34 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
> Message-ID: 11511081-29dd-4462-bf7f-ac7520038e3b at samobile.net
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> Original message:
>> There is medicine one can take if they truly have a problem with dogs.
> Your dog can not be sent away because of this.
> I would though make sure you didn't work with this person.
> You are just coming home with a new dog, you surely don't want to leave
> it alone.
> You aare just starting to become a new team getting to know each other
> in your home area.
> The dog is wanting to trust you.
> I understand you are a teen, where this is hard to stand up for what
> you know is best.
> Your dog will be your friend for all its life, many persons will walk 
> away.
> We are here to help you, Many of us have been dog owners for years.
> Wishing you the best.
> Only you can decide.
> Hello everyone,
>> My name is jeff crouch, and I am 16 years old and am going to start
>> training with a guide dog on auguist 18th at Pilet dogs.
>
>> I am wanting to know about something that I was told by a manager at a
>> place where I workout at. She told me that I will not be able to bring
>> my guide dog in because one of her clients who works out at that gym
>> is allergic to dogs and that the client made a ordeal about the last
>> service dog that came in. I don't know how to preseed, weather I just
>> leave it alone and not take the dog when I go to workout, or what I
>> should do. Advice would be greatly apreschated.
>> thanks
>
>> --
>> smile.fm
>> KD8QIQ
>> Jeff Crouch
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:13:41 -0700
> From: "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
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> Jeff,
>
> Your rights trump others.  They violate the law if they deny you access 
> with
> your guide dog.  Remember, it is YOU who have the right to take your guide
> dog with you.  The dog has NO rights, you do.
>
> If someone has allergies then first they need to prove that their 
> allergies
> constitute a true disability.  Then the
> Gymn has to work with you and the other party to find a reasonable
> accommodation.  In no case is such an accommodation denying you the right 
> to
> bring your guide.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jeff crouch
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 07:15 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
>
> Hello everyone,
> My name is jeff crouch, and I am 16 years old and am going to start 
> training
> with a guide dog on auguist 18th at Pilet dogs.
>
> I am wanting to know about something that I was told by a manager at a 
> place
> where I workout at. She told me that I will not be able to bring my guide
> dog in because one of her clients who works out at that gym is allergic to
> dogs and that the client made a ordeal about the last service dog that 
> came
> in. I don't know how to preseed, weather I just leave it alone and not 
> take
> the dog when I go to workout, or what I should do. Advice would be greatly
> apreschated.
> thanks
>
> --
> smile.fm
> KD8QIQ
> Jeff Crouch
>
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