[nagdu] Pattern of Aggressive Dogs and Lack of Handler Control

[Ann Edie]

And don't forget, Tami, that any dog that looks aggressive, or big, or
scary, or has four legs...can be labeled a pit bull by any general public
"expert"!

Best,
Ann

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:08 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Pattern of Aggressive Dogs and Lack of Handler Control

Julie,

I think coming up with actual statistics would be as futile as trying to 
come up with statistics about owner-trainers. It might be possible to 
find out if and how many training programs use any of the pit bull 
breeds... I would bet none, but who knows? Those who select their own 
and train for themselves simply aren't in a database.

Some people do choose pit bulls as service dogs. I haven't met many 
(maybe not more than one) and don't know how many tales of such are 
real. I have doubts that there is a trend, but some do apparently make 
that choice. I doubt they choose aggressive pit bulls specifically. But 
of course, if it's a pit bull it will be described as aggressive... 
Never mind that it never does anything or causes a problem other than 
hysteria in the people around it. It is an aggressive pit bull! Sigh. 
I've gotten really cynical about anecdotal reports on the matter.

By the law of statistics, there may be some service dog user somewhere 
who decided an aggressive pit bull would be just the thing. Cheery 
thought. I wouldn't want to be on a bus with it. Then again, I wouldn't 
want to be on a bus with an aggressive anything, so there you have it.

Others seem to choose nice pit bulls, looking for nonaggression as 
service dog users of any other breed tend to do. There are breed traits 
that are favorable to service work, actually. Personally, I would not 
choose a breed that is going to cause public hysteria everywhere we go, 
but that's me. From talking to general pit bull owners, that public 
reaction to their dogs even, say, walking the dog to the dog park, is a 
real problem and something they have to deal with in their training and 
socializing. People figure out it is a pit bull, which is scary, so they 
do what scared humans do, which is to become hostile and fearful at the 
same time. So the pit bull owners have to condition their dogs to remain 
calm when people are doing everything possible to set off their 
aggression and prey drive. Putting up with that reaction to my service 
dog would not be my idea of a good time. Though I've run across a few 
people who have known mean poodles who get a little wiggy about mine, 
and there was once when Mitzi poodle was briefly a pit bull...

Anyway, if there are statistics somewhere out there, I would find it 
interesting. Also, if they show anything at all about whether service 
dogs of that set of breeds cause any more problems than service dogs of 
other breeds on a percentage basis. I just can't think offhand where one 
would look for such information.

Tami











On 07/30/2013 05:06 AM, Julie J. wrote:
> Is there a trend toward using pit bulls as service dogs?  And aggressive
> pit bulls as service dogs?  I have honestly never heard of such a thing.
> Where did you get this info?
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:36 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Pattern of Aggressive Dogs and Lack of Handler Control
>
> Greetings I agree with those who replied to yesterdays posting of
> mine.There has been a concerning growing rate of dog bites and attacks.
> In a recenty study over a five year period, 2/3rds of the cases dealth
> with by A philly hospital were by Pit Bulls. Email me if you want the
> citation of the journal. The point is if you have a dog, one lapse in
> judgemtn can be detremental and may be something you will have to live
> with the rest of your life. Especially if you have an aggressive Pit as
> a service animal. And further, if they are with their fellow friend dog,
> who is part of their pack, they are even more so aggressive.
> Unfortuneately, I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. As our
> animals are an extension of us, even in cases where the dog becomes
> aggressive and attacks another applied; and thus we should be
> accountable. Perhaps some do's and don't  and discussing when you should
> retire and quit usingg a dog would be appropriate sometime. I wish that
> on no one. Everyone have a great week!
>
> Sent from the Iphone of
> James Boehm
> KustomCane
> 901-483-1515.
> "don't be plain -Go Kustom Cane!"
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:43:27 -0400
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>    bed
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>> So do I. But, I put a nicre fluffy blanket on so that they can be more
>> comfy!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>>
>>> I have a leather couch and the dogs are allowed on it.  Of all the
>>> couches
>>> I've had, I think the leather is the easiest to take care of if you let
>>> dogs on it.  I just wipe it off with a damp cloth once in a while and
>>> every
>>> so often go over it with a leather conditioner.  I do make sure to keep
>>> nails trimmed and finish with the grinder so there are no sharp edges.
>>>
>>> My dogs are allowed on the couch at will.  They know off and if I
>>> want to
>>> sit where they are, they have to move.  Usually though I don't even have
>>> to tell them off.  They just see a person coming and move.
>>>
>>> They are also allowed on my bed.  They used to sleep in there a lot, but
>>> neither of them do much anymore.  It's the same rules, if I say off, I
>>> mean off and off it is.
>>>
>>> For me it's a harness rule.  In harness means no furniture.  Out of
>>> harness means make yourself comfortable.  If I go to someone's home, I
>>> generally leave him in harness unless I know the people very well, and
>>> know for certain they don't care about dogs on the furniture.
>>> Interestingly though, Monty will not get on friend's furniture or at
>>> least
>>> he never has.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nicole Torcolini
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:34 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>>
>>> Ugh, definitely agreed. The only time that my dog has gotten up on
>>> something
>>> that she was not supposed to was one time when she was confused about
>>> the
>>> meaning of up. I meant up as in stand up from sitting down, but she
>>> thought
>>> that I wanted her to jump up on something. It was not that big of a
>>> deal,
>>> and she got down immediately when I told her to. Jumping on couches
>>> without
>>> permission is a big no no for any dogs that have lived with my parents,
>>> Lexia included, because my parents have leather couches. So, given that
>>> this
>>> was her first home when I got her, she never really got a chance to
>>> develop
>>> a bad habit of jumping on furniture.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:15 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>>
>>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>>> established
>>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend
>>> that
>>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the
>>> couch and
>>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my
>>> clothing
>>> as
>>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it
>>> just
>>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this
>>> incident. I
>>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests,
>>> hence, the
>>> strict rules.
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>>> bed
>>>>
>>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>>
>>>> Minh
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>>> new
>>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>>> enough?
>>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:52:53 -0400
>> From: "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <blind411 at verizon.net>
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU on facebook and twitter
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>> Tina,
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 11:15 PM
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>> Subject: [nagdu] NAGDU on facebook and twitter
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>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:18:25 -0600
>> From: "Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire" <orleans24 at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sensing a Pattern- Needs Addressing
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>> Hi, there,
>> I can feel your frustration.
>> It's not just service dog owners who are at fault, so are pet dog owners.
>> I have no problems with Odie running up toward the front door of my
>> apartment.
>> He usually lies down for the most part unless I call him to me.
>> One piece of advice I can give is to have your dog on a short leash so
>> he/she can be under better control.
>> Of course, Odie is a lot older now and not as highly energetic or frisky.
>> Best from
>> Bibi and son Odie
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:27:47 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
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>> Rebecca,
>> This is very well written. It explains the creep from "I can manage
>> this" to
>> "no, this is not what I should be doing".
>> I'm sorry this happened.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca
>> Ilniski
>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Back in 2010 I had a dog that was aggressive as he would lunge and
>> growl at
>> other dogs.  I worked for 3 years from 07 to 2010 trying to work with
>> him as
>> he did well in all other situations.  I knew that I could never go to a
>> convention or somewhere where I knew there would be a lot of dogs
>> around. I
>> worked with a trainer that had worked for a long time at the school.
>> There
>> were three things that went on.  In 08 I was pulled down when I
>> attempted to
>> relieve my dog as he went after a guy who had 2
>> dogs across the street.   I sprained my ankle.  In 09 I went to New York
>> to visit a friend.  While I was drinking a soda and sitting on a
>> bench, my
>> dog took off growling at a lady who had a small dog.  Yes I was
>> sitting on
>> my dog's leash but since he pulled hard he got away and almost ran in
>> to the
>> road.  I called the school and wanted to have him go back for some
>> extensive
>> training.  When I spoke to the trainer I was working with, he stated
>> that I
>> needed to find a different way of holding him and yada yada yada.  I told
>> him if I had another episode that the dog was going to be retired
>> immediately and no uncertain terms was I going to continue working
>> this dog.
>> The final straw came on August 13,
>> 2010 on my way to Williamsport to visit my parents.  I had gotten off
>> of the
>> bus to relieve my dog and transfer buses.  As I stood there, someone
>> with a
>> dog came up and I was immediately pulled down.  No growling from
>> either dog
>> took place.  The driver was shocked and told the guy to take his dog
>> out of
>> the area as I was being drug in the parking lot among buses.  I never
>> let go
>> of the leash and am lucky I only sustained some scrapes.  The driver was
>> shocked as he didn't think service dogs were supposed to behave this
>> way. I
>> stated that he was a dog and dogs will be dogs and said they are
>> generally
>> not supposed to do these types of things.  That afternoon I called the
>> school and spoke to the head of training and he was retired.  I placed
>> him
>> in a nice home and still hear stories about him sometimes.  I to this day
>> have no idea how he made it through training.  That's my experience of
>> guide
>> dogs that are aggressive.  I think he wanted to play as he never bit a
>> dog
>> but when I heard him growl it sure didn't sound like it.
>>
>> --
>> Rebecca and Zeb
>> email: rilniski at gmail.com
>> facebook: www.facebook.com/rebeccai5
>> Zeb's facebook: www.facebook.com/zeb.ilniski
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:29:43 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
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>> I'd be curious to know the school also, but after the below post, I
>> wouldn't
>> post it either.
>> Any school could make a bone headed judgement. And, of course Howard, you
>> can say "I'd never let it go on that long". You are only reading about
>> Rebecca's experience, you aren't living it. The distinction is huge.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J.
>> Levine
>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:49 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> I would have never had let itgo on that long, I I would have given that
>> guide dog back sonner to the school. That tranier was dead wrong he
>> just did
>> not want to say that dog should not be a guide, you should have gone
>> to head
>> of school above the traning department. It would be nice to know what
>> school
>> it was but I know you won't say on the list. I have problems with a guide
>> dog school when I got my first two dogs and I can say the traing
>> department
>> did not good job and thay caused mo problems this school and head of the
>> school is now working to make thingswwrite at this school, I had to go to
>> another school and guide dog is working must better for me. It is about
>> there jobs and numbers for the training departments at schools.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca
>> Ilniski
>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Back in 2010 I had a dog that was aggressive as he would lunge and
>> growl at
>> other dogs.  I worked for 3 years from 07 to 2010 trying to work with
>> him as
>> he did well in all other situations.  I knew that I could never go to a
>> convention or somewhere where I knew there would be a lot of dogs
>> around. I
>> worked with a trainer that had worked for a long time at the school.
>> There
>> were three things that went on.  In 08 I was pulled down when I
>> attempted to
>> relieve my dog as he went after a guy who had 2
>> dogs across the street.   I sprained my ankle.  In 09 I went to New York
>> to visit a friend.  While I was drinking a soda and sitting on a
>> bench, my
>> dog took off growling at a lady who had a small dog.  Yes I was
>> sitting on
>> my dog's leash but since he pulled hard he got away and almost ran in
>> to the
>> road.  I called the school and wanted to have him go back for some
>> extensive
>> training.  When I spoke to the trainer I was working with, he stated
>> that I
>> needed to find a different way of holding him and yada yada yada.  I told
>> him if I had another episode that the dog was going to be retired
>> immediately and no uncertain terms was I going to continue working
>> this dog.
>> The final straw came on August 13,
>> 2010 on my way to Williamsport to visit my parents.  I had gotten off
>> of the
>> bus to relieve my dog and transfer buses.  As I stood there, someone
>> with a
>> dog came up and I was immediately pulled down.  No growling from
>> either dog
>> took place.  The driver was shocked and told the guy to take his dog
>> out of
>> the area as I was being drug in the parking lot among buses.  I never
>> let go
>> of the leash and am lucky I only sustained some scrapes.  The driver was
>> shocked as he didn't think service dogs were supposed to behave this
>> way. I
>> stated that he was a dog and dogs will be dogs and said they are
>> generally
>> not supposed to do these types of things.  That afternoon I called the
>> school and spoke to the head of training and he was retired.  I placed
>> him
>> in a nice home and still hear stories about him sometimes.  I to this day
>> have no idea how he made it through training.  That's my experience of
>> guide
>> dogs that are aggressive.  I think he wanted to play as he never bit a
>> dog
>> but when I heard him growl it sure didn't sound like it.
>>
>> --
>> Rebecca and Zeb
>> email: rilniski at gmail.com
>> facebook: www.facebook.com/rebeccai5
>> Zeb's facebook: www.facebook.com/zeb.ilniski
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:39:25 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
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>>    Very well put Julie.
>> Lots of things can impact how a dog works, dog attacks being one of them.
>> Illness is another. These things can happen after a dog leaves
>> training, and
>> they can happen gradually.
>> Remember, Howard, you are learning a lot from this list. Many of us
>> didn't
>> have this information base when we started out.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:45 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Dog's change over time, just like people do.  That dog could have been
>> the
>> model citizen of guide dogs at graduation.  There's no way to predict the
>> future.
>>
>> Dog attacks from random dogs on the street are a huge, huge
>> contributor to a
>> change in personality towards other dogs.  You could start with a lovely,
>> well behaved and sociable dog.  Then have three or four nasty encounters
>> with ill behaved beasts and now your lovely guide learns to be proactive.
>> No more standing around to see if other dogs are nice or safe.  Now
>> she'll
>> make it well known that nobody is going to mess with her.
>>
>> How would the school know something like this?  How would they be able to
>> predict it?  How could they prevent it?  How could they know better?
>>
>> Also why shouldn't the handler know better and do the right thing?
>>
>> We talk a lot here about wanting ownership, wanting to be treated like
>> responsible adults, wanting equal treatment and the like.  In my opinion
>> that means we have to step up to the plate and start acting responsibly.
>> That means all the time, even when it's unpleasant or hard.  I would
>> really
>> like to see a shift in thinking to viewing the guide dog schools as a
>> resource, a place where people can go for support, ideas, or help with a
>> particular working situation. We have to stop relying on them to be
>> the dog
>> police.
>>
>> When you stop being responsible, you give up a piece of your
>> independence.
>> Letting others make decisions for you is letting them have power over
>> you.
>> Being an adult means you have to be responsible for your actions and
>> those
>> of your dog, all the time, every day, even when it's embarrassing or
>> hard or
>> heart wrenching.  Kids have the benefit of adults to take care of
>> them, to
>> take care of the hard decisions and to protect them.  Adults do not.  We
>> have to start acting like adults if we want to be treated like adults.
>>
>> JMO
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Howard J. Levine
>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:19 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Both are the handler and the school, but school should no better and
>> do the
>> right thing and dog should had never made through the program.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:52 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, why should it be the school that removes the
>> dog from
>> being a guide?  I'm wondering why the handler shouldn't be the one
>> responsible?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Howard J. Levine
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:43 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> That is not a guide dog and any guide dog would bite person that
>> school must
>> take that dog out of service atwonce.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tina Thomas
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:34 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Cc: judotina48kg at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Hello Nicole and all- Any dog can become aggressive if not trained and or
>> handled properly. In the case of the pit bull, they have been
>> mistreated and
>> mishandled by unskrupleless   handlers who have use the breed  for
>> monetary
>> gain (dog fights). Which is unacceptable  and abusive. Also, there
>> have been
>> a ccounts of other breeds such as Labradors, golden retrievers who have
>> attacked for no reason. When I was at convention there were several
>> incidences of a dog either attacking another dog and or biting a
>> person. One
>> incident took place in the lobby of the hotel, where the handler did not
>> have hold of the leach and another dog handler was passing by and the dog
>> who was lying down while the handler was talking got up and lunged at the
>> other dog while barking. Another incident was when I was coming out of an
>> elevator and another dog attacked my dog and she had to defend herself.
>> However, the worst incident took place when a woman was checking in to
>> her
>> room and she did not have her dog properly secured and as a young
>> woman was
>> passing by, the dog jumped over the luggage  and preceded to bite the
>> young
>> woman twice as well as bite another dog. I think we really need to be
>> careful not to make assumptions and stereotypes, because all it does is
>> cause prejudice and misunderstandings.
>> Tina and the girls
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nicole
>> Torcolini
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:06 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Some pit bulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in
>> fact...including the
>> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific
>> legislation
>> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training
>> instead of
>> banning a wonderful breed.
>>
>> For the reasons stated at this website:
>> http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php.
>>
>> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are
>> homeless, at
>> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't
>> afford a
>> traditional leash.
>>
>> I am not trying to stereotype, but it is probably more likely that
>> someone
>> who is homeless has a pit-bull for protection than for a pet. Also, from
>> what I read on the above website, it sounds like the rope leash would not
>> have done much good had the pit bulls decided to try to run away from
>> their
>> owners.
>>
>> Maybe what needs to happen is breed specific legislation, but those
>> who have
>> pit bulls who are well trained can somehow get them exempt.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Meghan Whalen
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:32 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] close call
>>
>> Some pitbulls are wonderful lovely dogs, most are, in fact...including
>> the
>> sweet boy who has his head on my foot right now. Breed specific
>> legislation
>> is such a mess. Why not work on addressing the lack of training
>> instead of
>> banning a wonderful breed.
>>
>> It sounds like the dogs were on leashes. If the individuals are
>> homeless, at
>> least they found a way to contain their dogs, even if they couldn't
>> afford a
>> traditional leash.
>>
>> It sounds like there was a fence between you guys, regardless what
>> happened.
>>
>> I'm glad you are okay.
>>
>> Meghan
>> On 7/23/2013 4:16 AM, Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire wrote:
>>> hi, all,
>>> Sub says it all.
>>> A couple of hours ago while I was parking Odie in the north yard, five
>> people started walking past us.
>>> Two individuals happened to have pit bulls, a breed which is banned in
>>> the
>> city and county of Denver.
>>> Although the dogs were leashed, it wasn't a proper one as my friend
>>> Dolly
>> described that it was more of a rope type leash.
>>> Luckily, no one was hurt, but I found it disturbing that those
>>> individuals
>> knowing that the pit bull breed is banned would sneak them into the
>> county.
>>> The group was obviously homeless or just street individuals.
>>> Dolly told me that as soon as she saw the pit bulls, she immediately
>>> went
>> back up the stairs in the lobby.
>>> My partner Odie did something which I didn't expect.
>>> He knew those dogs weren't nice, so figured for mine and his safety,
>>> he
>> pulled me over to the other side of the yard.
>>> During the incident, one of our residents happened to be outside on
>>> the
>> sidewalk with her walker and her small chihuhua, Baby.
>>> She was very lucky that our building security guard as out there.
>>> Although I did notify Denver police about the illegal dogs, I'll still
>> have to contact Animal Control, giving that this was the second time
>> those
>> two dogs were walked by our apartment complex.
>>> Dolly told me she saw them yesterday during lunch hour as well.
>>> Am glad the iron fence was in between the banned pit bulls, Odie and I.
>>> Dolly told me they were smaller than Odie was, but she was concerned
>>> for
>> her dog, Easter's safety.
>>> She did mention that one of her dogs was a pit bull, but properly
>>> trained
>> to be a well-mannered four-legged furry kid.
>>> I just took Odie out a few minutes ago, and we definitely took the
>>> garage
>> to the south stairwell on up the stairs and out into the south yard
>> instead.
>>> I wasn't chancing going out to the north yard, given that there's no
>> security guards right now.
>>> God was watching over Odie and I along with Dale.
>>> bibi and son Odie
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:47:02 -0700
>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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>> Cindy,
>>
>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
>> instantly to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>
>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should
>> say to me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would
>> be a flip off in there somewhere.
>>
>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can
>> dogs lie, after all? /lol/
>>
>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
>> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to
>> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good. Then
>> I go for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
>> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>
>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
>> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want to
>> get one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello,
>>> puppy!" I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought
>>> something like that would be so fun because it would totally freak
>>> out the person who spoke to the dog. Yes?
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>
>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the
>>>> path
>>>> before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know the
>>>> dog
>>>> won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses intelligent
>>>> disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust your dog and
>>>> proceed
>>>> to go around the obstacle, you may not know what is in front of you
>>>> blocking
>>>> the way. Instead of being led around the unknown obstacle, and
>>>> perhaps not
>>>> ever realizing what it could be, you are told by the dog via a
>>>> computerized
>>>> voice or text that it is wet cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named "Facilitating
>>>> Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO that is meant
>>>> to help
>>>> handlers communicate with their service dogs. According to recent news
>>>> articles, the device looks like a typical service dog vest that hugs
>>>> the
>>>> canine's shoulders and back, fastening under the dog's belly. The
>>>> FIDO model
>>>> has a compact computer with a microprocessor that sits between the
>>>> dog's
>>>> shoulder blades with several distinctly shaped items which can be
>>>> pulled or
>>>> pushed by the dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a
>>>> tornado siren
>>>> or alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a
>>>> tug on
>>>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>>> the very
>>>> thing described above and much more. Since dogs can understand about
>>>> 700
>>>> words to convey what they see, smell or hear around them, fine
>>>> tuning the
>>>> technology that enables us and the dog to communicate better is only
>>>> a tail
>>>> wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>>
>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like
>>>> Google glass
>>>> or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog chooses to
>>>> convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that represents the
>>>> information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via a
>>>> microcomputer to the
>>>> handler.
>>>>
>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>>> researchers
>>>> are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be alerted to what
>>>> the dog
>>>> sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog that works with its
>>>> handler will
>>>> be able to utilize the vest. This is especially encouraging for
>>>> explosive
>>>> detection and search and rescue dogs as well as dogs teamed up with
>>>> people
>>>> with disabilities.
>>>>
>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant from
>>>> Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>
>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>> came up
>>>> with this idea after discovering that one of her students worked with a
>>>> guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the obstacles
>>>> the dog
>>>> avoided.
>>>>
>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-How-a-co
>>>>
>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>
>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:04:32 -0500
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>> Message-ID: <6DB8B1B6-8465-4A38-909A-D7D762348C2E at gmail.com>
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>> I've been thinking about this idea for years and years; maybe it's
>> time has at last come!
>>
>> CL
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
>>> instantly to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>>
>>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should
>>> say to me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There
>>> would be a flip off in there somewhere.
>>>
>>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth.
>>> Can dogs lie, after all? /lol/
>>>
>>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
>>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a
>>> certain point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train
>>> the dog to respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far
>>> so good. Then I go for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree!
>>> Tree! Tree!" every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>>
>>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where
>>> added feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly
>>> I want to get one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello,
>>>> puppy!" I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought
>>>> something like that would be so fun because it would totally freak
>>>> out the person who spoke to the dog. Yes?
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson"
>>>> <blinddog3 at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you
>>>>> the path
>>>>> before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know
>>>>> the dog
>>>>> won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses intelligent
>>>>> disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust your dog and
>>>>> proceed
>>>>> to go around the obstacle, you may not know what is in front of you
>>>>> blocking
>>>>> the way. Instead of being led around the unknown obstacle, and
>>>>> perhaps not
>>>>> ever realizing what it could be, you are told by the dog via a
>>>>> computerized
>>>>> voice or text that it is wet cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named
>>>>> "Facilitating
>>>>> Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO that is meant
>>>>> to help
>>>>> handlers communicate with their service dogs. According to recent news
>>>>> articles, the device looks like a typical service dog vest that
>>>>> hugs the
>>>>> canine's shoulders and back, fastening under the dog's belly. The
>>>>> FIDO model
>>>>> has a compact computer with a microprocessor that sits between the
>>>>> dog's
>>>>> shoulder blades with several distinctly shaped items which can be
>>>>> pulled or
>>>>> pushed by the dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a
>>>>> tornado siren
>>>>> or alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just
>>>>> a tug on
>>>>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>>>> the very
>>>>> thing described above and much more. Since dogs can understand
>>>>> about 700
>>>>> words to convey what they see, smell or hear around them, fine
>>>>> tuning the
>>>>> technology that enables us and the dog to communicate better is
>>>>> only a tail
>>>>> wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like
>>>>> Google glass
>>>>> or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog chooses to
>>>>> convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that represents the
>>>>> information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via a
>>>>> microcomputer to the
>>>>> handler.
>>>>>
>>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>>>> researchers
>>>>> are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be alerted to what
>>>>> the dog
>>>>> sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog that works with its
>>>>> handler will
>>>>> be able to utilize the vest. This is especially encouraging for
>>>>> explosive
>>>>> detection and search and rescue dogs as well as dogs teamed up with
>>>>> people
>>>>> with disabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant from
>>>>> Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>> came up
>>>>> with this idea after discovering that one of her students worked
>>>>> with a
>>>>> guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the obstacles
>>>>> the dog
>>>>> avoided.
>>>>>
>>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-How-a-co
>>>>>
>>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:15:53 -0600
>> From: "Daniel" <daniel.sweeney1 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Sensing a Pattern- Needs Addressing
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>> Hey Jimmy,
>>
>> This is the second time I am replying to this. The first time sounded too
>> preachy, so I am trying again.
>> I couldn't agree with you more!
>> I am so sorry you had a bad experience. I haven't been to a convention
>> yet,
>> but I have heard a few things that have made me have a couple of second
>> thoughts.
>> If a dog attacked my girl, I would go ballistic. She is so sensitive and
>> sweet, I just couldn't imagine a dog hurting her in any way.
>> I am as protective of her as she is of me.
>> I agree completely with you that if your dog is not under control,
>> then you
>> should not have that dog. I also believe if that dog is aggressive in any
>> way, it has no business being a service dog of any kind.
>> If there is an incident with a handler not having control of their
>> dog, they
>> should be asked to leave. Then maybe people would think twice before they
>> bring their dogs to convention if they are not well behaved.
>>
>> Daniel and Cass
>> Lakewood, Colorado
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jimmy
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:09 AM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Sensing a Pattern- Needs Addressing
>>
>> Greetings my friends,
>>     I  appreciate everyone's comments and input on this list. I have
>> learned vast amounts of information since I have joined, and this is
>> due to
>> your experiences and concerns expressed . A trend  of comments I have
>> taken
>> notice  of is the lack of control dog owners have  on  their own service
>> animals. It appears many have had bad experiences either at this
>> convention
>> or prior ones. In Orlando this year, my first convention, I unfortunately
>> experienced a same scare. A friend of mine was staying a few rooms
>> down from
>> me. So me and another friend of mine went for a visit. I had My dog
>> with me.
>> We were in the hallway, not even up to the door yet, for we were lagging
>> behind. My friend opened the door and all of a sudden I hear two dogs
>> barking and viciously growling  coming at Shep and I; they proceeded
>> to jump
>> him. One was a slightly larger shepherd that has had a history of
>> aggression
>> issues. the other was a pitt . Both were service animals. Shep was
>> obviously
>> shaken a little, but he showed no sign and worked wonderfully the rest of
>> the day. Of course, I had his back, I dropped Shep's harness and
>> grabbed one
>> dogand pulled him off and then the other. As I had each dog in each
>> hand and
>> was about   to teach them a little obediaence training of myone but
>> finally
>> after about 20 seconds of chaos one of my friends and dog owner of the
>> uncontrolled  was finally able to call them in, him being limited
>> himself in
>> a wheelchair. Point is this: If you have a service dog, you are
>> responsible
>> for that dog- what it does, what it doesn't do. If your dog attacks
>> another,
>> you are allowing your dogto potentially affect the future work of
>> another.Control your dog. If someone comes to your room or room,  put
>> your
>> dog up or tie it down.  If you can't control- Don't open the door! SHow a
>> little common sense and courtesy for others;  that way it cannot leave
>> the
>> room and be aggressive towards either a person or as in my case, there
>> happening to be a guide dog in the hallway.  Having a service animal is a
>> important  responsibility that we should take seriously, be respectful of
>> others and their dogs,maturely  and responsibly have control of your
>> dog at
>> all times. If you cannot do this at all times, you should seriously
>> consider
>> ceasing from using a dog as a means of mobility. You obviously cannot
>> handle
>> it and it's not for you. It only takes one careless and scatter-brained
>> moment to cause injury to yourself, another dog, or another person.
>> Service
>> animals are to be an asset, not an added hinderance reluctance to
>> travel. I
>> am sure there are many on here  as well as at our schools in which we
>> received our dogs, that can give us good guidelines in avoiding such
>> occurances.
>>
>> Sent from the Iphone of
>> James Boehm
>> KustomCane
>> 901-483-1515.
>> "don't be plain -Go Kustom Cane!"
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:27:56 -0500
>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>    bed
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>> Dear Min,
>>
>>    I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog
>> hair
>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is
>> groomed
>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>>    Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
>> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking
>> her to
>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>>    I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>> clearly has no boundaries.
>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>> established
>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch
>> and
>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my
>> clothing as
>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide,
>> it just
>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence,
>> the
>> strict rules.
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>> bed
>>>
>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>
>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>> new
>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>    First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>>    Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>> enough?
>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:53:29 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>    bed
>> Message-ID: <46966C23A7B04399A5CA31FB70EAD2D1 at JuliePC>
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>>
>> Darla,
>>
>> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have
>> boundaries.
>> They aren't the same as yours though.
>>
>> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to
>> others
>> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I leave
>> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have
>> similar
>> boundaries as I do.
>>
>> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
>> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty
>> riding
>> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is what
>> works
>> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid getting
>> hair
>> on the bedspread.
>>
>> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
>> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those
>> years
>> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was
>> something we
>> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
>> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than
>> my dog
>> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>>
>> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that
>> it is
>> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
>> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
>> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
>> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> From: Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Dear Min,
>>
>> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog
>> hair
>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is
>> groomed
>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
>> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking
>> her to
>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>> clearly has no boundaries.
>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>> established
>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch
>> and
>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my
>> clothing as
>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide,
>> it just
>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence,
>> the
>> strict rules.
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>> bed
>>>
>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>
>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>> new
>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>> enough?
>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:01:36 -0400
>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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>> This reminds me of that book, I think called Congo where the monkey could
>> use sign language. The movie version had her using a computer. Very
>> interesting and a bit disturbing.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:47 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>> Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>>
>> Cindy,
>>
>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
>> instantly
>> to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>
>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should
>> say to
>> me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would be a flip
>> off in there somewhere.
>>
>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth.
>> Can dogs
>> lie, after all? /lol/
>>
>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
>> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to
>> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good.
>> Then I go
>> for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
>> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>
>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
>> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want
>> to get
>> one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello,
>>> puppy!"
>> I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought something like
>> that would be so fun because it would totally freak out the person who
>> spoke
>> to the dog. Yes?
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>
>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the
>>>> path before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know
>>>> the dog won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses
>>>> intelligent disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust
>>>> your dog and proceed to go around the obstacle, you may not know what
>>>> is in front of you blocking the way. Instead of being led around the
>>>> unknown obstacle, and perhaps not ever realizing what it could be,
>>>> you are told by the dog via a computerized voice or text that it is wet
>> cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>
>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named
>>>> "Facilitating Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO
>>>> that is meant to help handlers communicate with their service dogs.
>>>> According to recent news articles, the device looks like a typical
>>>> service dog vest that hugs the canine's shoulders and back, fastening
>>>> under the dog's belly. The FIDO model has a compact computer with a
>>>> microprocessor that sits between the dog's shoulder blades with
>>>> several distinctly shaped items which can be pulled or pushed by the
>>>> dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado siren or
>>>> alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a
>>>> tug on
>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>
>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>>> the very thing described above and much more. Since dogs can
>>>> understand about 700 words to convey what they see, smell or hear
>>>> around them, fine tuning the technology that enables us and the dog
>>>> to communicate better is only a tail wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>>
>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google
>>>> glass or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog
>>>> chooses to convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that
>>>> represents the information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via
>>>> a microcomputer to the handler.
>>>>
>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>>> researchers are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be
>>>> alerted to what the dog sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog
>>>> that works with its handler will be able to utilize the vest. This is
>>>> especially encouraging for explosive detection and search and rescue
>>>> dogs as well as dogs teamed up with people with disabilities.
>>>>
>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant
>>>> from Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>
>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>> came up with this idea after discovering that one of her students
>>>> worked with a guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the
>>>> obstacles the dog avoided.
>>>>
>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-H
>>>> ow-a-co
>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>
>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:45:57 -0400
>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>    bed
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>> Holly does that sort of thing in our house but is not allowed to do it
>> anywhere else. She sometimes gets too exuberant and has to be checked but
>> otherwise, its her house too!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>>
>>> Darla,
>>>
>>> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have
>>> boundaries.
>>> They aren't the same as yours though.
>>>
>>> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to
>>> others homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that
>>> means I
>>> leave the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who
>>> have
>>> similar boundaries as I do.
>>>
>>> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
>>> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty
>>> riding on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is
>>> what works best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to
>>> avoid
>>> getting hair on the bedspread.
>>>
>>> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
>>> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those
>>> years
>>> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was something
>>> we weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act
>>> like monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more
>>> than
>>> my dog ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the
>>> springs.
>>>
>>> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that
>>> it is
>>> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they
>>> don't
>>> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit
>>> are
>>> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
>>> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> From: Darla Rogers
>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>>
>>> Dear Min,
>>>
>>> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog
>>> hair
>>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is
>>> groomed
>>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>>> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
>>> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking
>>> her
>>> to
>>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>>> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>>> clearly has no boundaries.
>>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>>
>>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>>> established
>>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend
>>> that
>>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the
>>> couch and
>>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my
>>> clothing
>>> as
>>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it
>>> just
>>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this
>>> incident. I
>>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests,
>>> hence, the
>>> strict rules.
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>>> bed
>>>>
>>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>>
>>>> Minh
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>>> new
>>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>>> enough?
>>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:52:11 -0600 (MDT)
>> From: GARY STEEVES <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>> Message-ID: <2095585318.11163072.1375120331078.JavaMail.root at cds013>
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>> Hi All:
>>
>> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his
>> tummy area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this
>> is done. However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has
>> been bothering several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just
>> looked at him and said that there are a couple of red marks which is
>> where he keeps licking.
>>
>> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be
>> more comfortable.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:55:16 -0400
>> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>> Message-ID:
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>> It sounds like a cool piece of technology, but it's just going to be
>> another piece of equipment that we have to carry around that
>> distinguishes us from the rest of the world. Furthermore, it's not
>> really practical; I don't want to be walking down the street and
>> having this voice announce to me what's in front of me every ten feet
>> or so. After all, we were taught techniques during training so we can
>> identify what is in front of us. If the dog stops, just reach out and
>> you'll find out what's blocking your way. ...
>>
>> On 7/29/13, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This reminds me of that book, I think called Congo where the monkey
>>> could
>>> use sign language. The movie version had her using a computer. Very
>>> interesting and a bit disturbing.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:47 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>> Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
>>> instantly
>>> to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>>
>>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest should
>>> say
>>> to
>>> me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would be a
>>> flip
>>> off in there somewhere.
>>>
>>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can
>>> dogs
>>> lie, after all? /lol/
>>>
>>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
>>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
>>> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the dog to
>>> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good.
>>> Then I
>>> go
>>> for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
>>> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>>
>>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
>>> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I want to
>>> get
>>> one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>>
>>> Tami
>>>
>>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello,
>>>> puppy!"
>>> I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought something like
>>> that would be so fun because it would totally freak out the person who
>>> spoke
>>> to the dog. Yes?
>>>>
>>>> CL
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the
>>>>> path before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know
>>>>> the dog won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses
>>>>> intelligent disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust
>>>>> your dog and proceed to go around the obstacle, you may not know what
>>>>> is in front of you blocking the way. Instead of being led around the
>>>>> unknown obstacle, and perhaps not ever realizing what it could be,
>>>>> you are told by the dog via a computerized voice or text that it is
>>>>> wet
>>> cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named
>>>>> "Facilitating Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO
>>>>> that is meant to help handlers communicate with their service dogs.
>>>>> According to recent news articles, the device looks like a typical
>>>>> service dog vest that hugs the canine's shoulders and back, fastening
>>>>> under the dog's belly. The FIDO model has a compact computer with a
>>>>> microprocessor that sits between the dog's shoulder blades with
>>>>> several distinctly shaped items which can be pulled or pushed by the
>>>>> dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado siren or
>>>>> alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a
>>>>> tug on
>>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>>>> the very thing described above and much more. Since dogs can
>>>>> understand about 700 words to convey what they see, smell or hear
>>>>> around them, fine tuning the technology that enables us and the dog
>>>>> to communicate better is only a tail wag away from becoming a reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google
>>>>> glass or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog
>>>>> chooses to convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that
>>>>> represents the information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via
>>>>> a microcomputer to the handler.
>>>>>
>>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>>>> researchers are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be
>>>>> alerted to what the dog sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog
>>>>> that works with its handler will be able to utilize the vest. This is
>>>>> especially encouraging for explosive detection and search and rescue
>>>>> dogs as well as dogs teamed up with people with disabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant
>>>>> from Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>> came up with this idea after discovering that one of her students
>>>>> worked with a guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the
>>>>> obstacles the dog avoided.
>>>>>
>>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-H
>>>>> ow-a-co
>>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:58:22 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crossing a highwayHi there, yes I have some
>>    streets I am afraid to cross with until I work with an instructor. I
>>    am pleased you say you are afraid if you don't keep it up. The same
>>    thing happens to me. I always feel that the schools would hold that
>>    against us, if we shared.  I know that when walking down a new walk
>>    that I haven't done, I feel as though my dog won't cover both sides.
>>    Even though he does. I always fear the rite rite side so my foot
>>    doesn't turn over off the sidewalk. Just some things that I work on
>>    allot. I
>> Message-ID: d1774f26-6328-4e22-b935-9df39be7fb45 at samobile.net
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>>
>> Hi there,
>> I just did a message don't know if it got to the list or not. I love
>> working down town with the folks, and folks are working when we travel
>> in the neighborhood.
>>
>> I understand while I enjoy working down town, Original message:
>>> I told that to Walt Sutton. LOL. But of course you have to develop a
>>> healthy respect for traffic. I don't go enough, and the places hereare
>>> challenging. I can walk around easily downtown, but out here where I
>>> live, I have developed some shameful fears.
>>
>>> CL
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:12 AM, "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> After I listened to the TSE traffic lecture, I called a friend and told
>>>> her I was never crossing a street again!  It's a scary lecture.
>>>> Tracy
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 4:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crossing a highway
>>
>>
>>>> Seeing Eye traffic lecture says that a dog can?t reliably judge any
>>>> faster than 30 MPH, and they don?t train for that. At 30, a car moves a
>>>> couple undred feet in just two seconds. Something like that. I have to
>>>> dig up the traffic lecture recording. I do remember, anyway, that we
>>>> never got such detail at GDB.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2013, at 11:12 PM, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Thanks for that, Doug; I had heard something of how dogs can or
>>>>> can't judge
>>>>> speed, so this is a very good fact to have when making crossing
>>>>> decisions in
>>>>> areas that aren't the safest.
>>>>> Darla Who doesn't want to become road pizza
>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug
>>>>> Parisian
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:20 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crossing a highway
>>
>>>>> Tracy, I agree; I have crossed highways only when there is no other
>>>>> option.
>>>>> I understand that although a dog may see a car coming, they real
>>>>> can't judge
>>>>> whether they will cross before the car hits much above 15 miles per
>>>>> hour.
>>
>>>>> Doug: getting squished by a car makes one two-dimensional.
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Crossing a highway
>>
>>
>>>>> : Marilyn, while it's true that a dog will refuse to go if she sees
>>>>> a car
>>>>> : coming, it's also true that she can only see so far, and, if a
>>>>> car is
>>>>> coming
>>>>> : fast, as they do on highways, she may not see it far enough away
>>>>> to react
>>>>> : quickly enough to save you both.
>>>>> : I know this from both lectures and bitter experience.  I was hit
>>>>> trying to
>>>>> : cross Jericho Turnpike one night.
>>>>> : I'm with Cindy.  I don't like crossing highways at all anymore.
>>>>> I know
>>>>> : sometimes it's the only way to go, but I would much rather not.
>>>>> : Tracy
>>>>> :
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:10:22 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>> Message-ID: <8694aeac0b81c158e13d585ff57257b0.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Perhaps a little olive oil on the spots would help?  It's moisturizing,
>> and won't hurt him if he licks it.
>> Tracy
>>
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his
>>> tummy
>>> area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is
>>> done.
>>> However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been
>>> bothering
>>> several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at him and
>>> said
>>> that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps licking.
>>>
>>> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be
>>> more comfortable.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Gary
>>>
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>> Message: 18
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:13:11 -0700
>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>> Message-ID: <51F6B0B7.2080707 at poodlemutt.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> Poor boo! Mitzi poodle does get irritated from tummy shaving sometimes
>> but not others. It seems to depend on time of year, summer being the
>> worst. That's also when she needs the greater cooling from a shaved
>> tummy. /smile/
>>
>> I tend to use Aloe Vera gel on her tummy and other close areas after a
>> grooming, since it cools and moisturizes. If her skin still seems dry
>> after a day or two, I will use something like Shea Butter (expensive!)
>> or olive oil (cheap!) to condition the skin.
>>
>> If the rash is more than razor burn or something, it might need
>> something medicated. I'm not too familiar with those sorts of things.
>> Though I have heard of using original brown Listerine as an antiseptic
>> that tastes too nasty for the dog to lick. I've never tried it myself,
>> though, having no need.
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 07/29/2013 10:52 AM, GARY STEEVES wrote:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his
>>> tummy area because he seems to get very irritated down there when
>>> this is done. However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart
>>> has been bothering several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker
>>> just looked at him and said that there are a couple of red marks
>>> which is where he keeps licking.
>>>
>>> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart
>>> be more comfortable.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Gary
>>>
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>> Message: 19
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:13:56 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>> Message-ID: e4ec8490-cf78-4e9e-af7b-90653a6b65e7 at samobile.net
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>> Original I got the same kind of bed for my dog a year ago, that is
>> holding up well.
>> I got it from wallmart.
>> they have ;large to small, I have the medium crate so this is the bed
>> I got.
>> the price isn't bad at all.
>> message:
>>> I bought a nice one quite a while ago from overstock.com.  It has a
>>> removable cover, and the inside is temperpedic foam, flat on one side
>>> and
>>> egg-carton on the other.  You can't put the foam in the washer, but
>>> it can
>>> be wiped clean, according to the manufacturer.
>>> Tracy
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mary Wurtzel" <marywurtzel at att.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:05 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>
>>
>>>> Hello,
>>
>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>> could
>>>> remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>> filling. I
>>>> was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let you wash the
>>>> inside.
>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it goes
>>>> through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>> washable dog
>>>> bed?  Thanks.
>>>> Mary
>>
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>> Message: 20
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:21:13 -0400
>> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>    bed
>> Message-ID:
>>    <CAAJqG9gQHKiZvHwOWw0wVa2CSNkUef_zJN-fLroDvky3Qt0bvw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Julie,
>>
>> I understand "my house, my rules," but as a guest, I think I deserve
>> some consideration; It's just common courtesy. Honestly, I wouldn't
>> have minded if she had jumped on the couch next to me and snuggle up,
>> but she actually hurt me in the process of leaping on top of me. And I
>> agree about the hotel beds; they're always so yucky anyway, the
>> thousands and thousands of people that have slept on them. I don't
>> think a little dog fur is going to make a huge difference.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Minh
>> On 7/29/13, Julie J. <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Darla,
>>>
>>> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have
>>> boundaries.
>>> They aren't the same as yours though.
>>>
>>> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to
>>> others
>>>
>>> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I
>>> leave
>>> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have
>>> similar
>>>
>>> boundaries as I do.
>>>
>>> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
>>> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty
>>> riding
>>>
>>> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is
>>> what works
>>>
>>> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid
>>> getting hair
>>>
>>> on the bedspread.
>>>
>>> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
>>> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those
>>> years
>>> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was
>>> something we
>>>
>>> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
>>> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than
>>> my dog
>>>
>>> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>>>
>>> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that
>>> it is
>>> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they
>>> don't
>>> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit
>>> are
>>> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
>>> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> From: Darla Rogers
>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>>
>>> Dear Min,
>>>
>>> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra
>>> dog hair
>>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is
>>> groomed
>>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>>> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down
>>> that path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking
>>> her
>>> to
>>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>>> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>>> clearly has no boundaries.
>>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>>
>>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>>> established
>>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend
>>> that
>>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the
>>> couch and
>>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my
>>> clothing
>>> as
>>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide, it
>>> just
>>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this
>>> incident. I
>>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests,
>>> hence, the
>>> strict rules.
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>>> bed
>>>>
>>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>>
>>>> Minh
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>>> new
>>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>>> enough?
>>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>
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>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:44:22 -0500
>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>> Message-ID: <004e01ce8c8b$a5407210$efc15630$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Dear gary,
>>
>>    I wonder if they itch or hurt?  I like a product from Tripiclean
>> called Oxy-Med; it doesn't have anything harmful in it, and it stops
>> itching
>> fast, and I have even used it on my rag doll cat.
>> Darla & hardworking Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:52 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his
>> tummy
>> area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is done.
>> However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been bothering
>> several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at him and
>> said
>> that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps licking.
>>
>> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be
>> more
>> comfortable.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gary
>>
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>> Message: 22
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:44:22 -0500
>> From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>    bed
>> Message-ID: <004d01ce8c8b$a4bebef0$ee3c3cd0$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>>    I remember those vacation times--not many--but you're right abut
>> what we did in hotels.
>>    I just know that when I have stayed at hotels with other guide dog
>> users, the hotels have complained about the ice buckets being used for
>> water
>> dishes and dogs in the beds, so I just don't do it because I don't
>> want to
>> be assessed a charge.
>>    But you and Min are right:  In your homes, it's your rules; I still
>> wouldn't want my dog on your furniture, however. <smile>  No hard
>> feelings,
>> I hope.
>> Darla & hardworking Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:53 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Darla,
>>
>> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have
>> boundaries.
>> They aren't the same as yours though.
>>
>> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to
>> others
>> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I leave
>> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have
>> similar
>> boundaries as I do.
>>
>> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
>> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty
>> riding
>> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is what
>> works
>> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid getting
>> hair
>> on the bedspread.
>>
>> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
>> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those
>> years
>> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was
>> something we
>> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
>> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than
>> my dog
>> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>>
>> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that
>> it is
>> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
>> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
>> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
>> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> From: Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Dear Min,
>>
>> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog
>> hair
>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is
>> groomed
>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down that
>> path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her to
>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>> clearly
>> has no boundaries.
>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>> established
>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch
>> and
>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my
>> clothing as
>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide,
>> it just
>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence,
>> the
>> strict rules.
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>> bed
>>>
>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>
>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>> new
>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>> enough?
>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:09:43 -0700
>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>> Message-ID: <000001ce8c8f$2f43d670$8dcb8350$@nycap.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi, Gary,
>>
>> You might try aloe cream on the itchy/irritated spots.  It is very
>> soothing
>> and pleasant, and the animals, as well as humans, seem to like it's
>> smell as
>> well as how it feels.  If the scratching and licking are caused by
>> something
>> other than just having been shaved, then you may have to look further for
>> solutions, such as getting allergy testing or checking for parasites.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ann
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:52 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] poodle with irritated skin
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Bogart went to the groomers on Friday. I asked them to not shave his
>> tummy
>> area because he seems to get very irritated down there when this is done.
>> However, it seems like they did shave there and Bogart has been bothering
>> several spots all weekend. A sighted co-worker just looked at him and
>> said
>> that there are a couple of red marks which is where he keeps licking.
>>
>> Just curious what ideas/solutions listers might have to help Bogart be
>> more
>> comfortable.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Gary
>>
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>> Message: 24
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:01:54 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>    bed
>> Message-ID: <63D85A3FCF1E4F138DF53467696B2941 at JuliePC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>    reply-type=original
>>
>> Darla,
>>
>> LOL!  No worries!
>>
>> Everyone has their own limits.  I think it's good to talk about the
>> differences.  Sometimes, when I first started out on my guide dog
>> adventure,
>> it felt like there was one precise way to do everything.  If that way
>> didn't
>> work for me, I felt like a failure or that I was wrong.     I'm not
>> suggesting that my methods work for everyone, or anyone, but that they do
>> work for me.  I hope that in some small way I can help someone else to
>> find
>> their own way.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 1:44 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> I remember those vacation times--not many--but you're right abut
>> what we did in hotels.
>> I just know that when I have stayed at hotels with other guide dog
>> users, the hotels have complained about the ice buckets being used for
>> water
>> dishes and dogs in the beds, so I just don't do it because I don't
>> want to
>> be assessed a charge.
>> But you and Min are right:  In your homes, it's your rules; I still
>> wouldn't want my dog on your furniture, however. <smile>  No hard
>> feelings,
>> I hope.
>> Darla & hardworking Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:53 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Darla,
>>
>> I disagree.  I think the dog that jumped on the couch did have
>> boundaries.
>> They aren't the same as yours though.
>>
>> I figure if it's my house I'm going to do what I like.  When I go to
>> others
>> homes, I respect their space and their rules.  Usually that means I leave
>> the dog home to avoid hassles or I go to friends with dogs who have
>> similar
>> boundaries as I do.
>>
>> When I travel I bring a sheet or light blanket.  If I need it to cover a
>> backseat in a car, I can use it for that, although I don't like Monty
>> riding
>> on the back seat.  Sometimes though, it's a small car and that is what
>> works
>> best.  I will also cover the hotel bed with the sheet to avoid getting
>> hair
>> on the bedspread.
>>
>> It still amuses me to no end that hotel staff might find dog hair
>> objectionable, but my parents never got a single complaint all those
>> years
>> of vacations and my brother and I jumping on the beds.  It was
>> something we
>> weren't allowed to do at home, but in the hotel we were free to act like
>> monkeys!  I'm convinced that we dirtied the bedspreads way more than
>> my dog
>> ever will, not to mention the damage that must have done to the springs.
>>
>> When I invite people into my home, it is with the understanding that
>> it is
>> my home and my rules.   Here that means dogs on the couch.  If they don't
>> like it, they don't have to visit.  Interestingly the folks who visit are
>> okay with the dogs.  Those who aren't we generally visit at their home,
>> without the dog.  There's no hard feelings.  It works for everyone.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> From: Darla Rogers
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:27 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> Dear Min,
>>
>> I agree with you, though maybe there isn't a right or wrong answer.
>> The thing is hotels don't like it, and you can e charged for extra dog
>> hair
>> on the bed, and some is going to get on the bed even if the dog is
>> groomed
>> every day, and you only allow it between the sheets.
>> Huck will get on my bed, if I ask, but I have chosen not to go down that
>> path; my retired guide, on the other hand, thinks you are asking her to
>> commit a mortal sin if you try to entice her onto a couch or bed.
>> I would be very unhappy had I experienced Min's situation; that dog
>> clearly
>> has no boundaries.
>> Darla & handsome hard-working Huck
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:15 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog bed
>>
>> No, there's really no harm, but I think rules need to be clearly
>> established
>> so that the dog doesn't get free reign of the house. I have a friend that
>> allows her dog to jump on beds/furniture whenever she wants and one time
>> while I was spending the night, she took a flying leap on to the couch
>> and
>> scrabbled around until she was comfortable. Her claws tore up my
>> clothing as
>> well as left scratches on my stomach. Although she is a great guide,
>> it just
>> colored my impression of the dog (and the handler) after this incident. I
>> would be so embarrassed if my dog did that to one of my guests, hence,
>> the
>> strict rules.
>>
>> On 7/28/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> I agree about snuggling with your dog. Besides, as long as they listen
>>> and follow the rules and it does not affect guide work, then I don't
>>> see the harm in it. If the dog decided to not follow the rules or to
>>> not get off when told or to jump in without permission, then there
>>> might be a problem, but probably not otherwise.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:29 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Rules about Being in the Bed was RE: a new dog
>>> bed
>>>
>>> My dog is only allowed on my bed upon command. I just have to tap the
>>> bed and tell her "up" and she'll get up with me. Otherwise, she's not
>>> allowed to come on my bed, not to even put her paws on it. When she
>>> does this, I'll just tell her off and she'll jump down. I let her
>>> sleep with me more than I should, but I figure once school starts
>>> again, she can't really sleep on my tiny twin that's ten feet off the
>>> ground so I might as well get in all the snuggles I can.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>> On 7/28/13, Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> All of my dogs have slept with me at one time or another. My first
>>>> guide would only come up when called. My second and third guides
>>>> would jump up whenever they wanted, but both got off when told.
>>>>
>>>> When I travel, I do not let Ace sleep in hotel beds or beds in other
>>>> people's houses. This rule has applied to the previous dogs as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ace isn't super fond of my bed. He'll lay with me while I read, but
>>>> gets down after a bit. At night, he usually stays in his place,
>>>> although I have woken up a few times to find him on my bed.
>>>>
>>>> Shannon and Ace
>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:53 PM, "Nicole Torcolini"
>>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All this talk about guide dogs sleeping in the beds of their
>>>>> handlers has made me wonder. For those of you who allow your guides
>>>>> to sleep in the human bed, do you have any rules, such as only upon
>>>>> invitation, off means off--no exceptions, or stay near the foot of
>>>>> the bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>>>> Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:46 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now our pet dog who we have had for eight years sleeps on the
>>>>> human bed.  If Filix came on, then some human would have to find a
>>>>> new
>>> bed, lol.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
>>>>> Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>> First of all, what is "a normal size dog"? (grin) I am pretty sure
>>>>> it's not Dogzilla!
>>>>> Like you, we use old comforters as dog beds. We inherited an actual
>>>>> dog bed once and, like you, found it rather lumpy after washing.
>>>>> Dogzilla prefers the bare floor, while Harmony - our Vizsla - is
>>>>> picky about his bed.
>>>>> The Goldador, on the other hand, lays claim to the human bed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J.
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:34 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> I use old comforters for crate cushions.  Monty's crate is kinda
>>>>> huge.  A twin sized comforter folded in fourths fits perfectly in
>>>>> there.  They are super cheap to find at garage sales or thrift
>>>>> stores, if you don't have kids who have outgrown Batman. They wash
>>>>> up extremely easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased dog beds/cushions in the past.  I think they are
>>>>> pricey for what you get.  The fabrics tend to be hair magnets.  They
>>>>> are difficult to wash and end up lumpy or misshapen after washing.
>>>>> Maybe there's something awesome out there that I'm just missing.  I
>>>>> don't know.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are into sewing, you could even make a cover/pillow case for
>>>>> the comforter so it would keep a nice shape.  Or if you have a
>>>>> normal sized dog perhaps they sell a pillow case that would be big
>> enough?
>>>>> I don't know, I've never checked out this option.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Julie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Wurtzel
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 1:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] a new dog bed
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a subject change.  I was given a dog bed some time ago.  You
>>>>> could remove the cover to wash it, but you couldn't wash the inside
>>>>> filling.  I was looking for a new bed, and none of them would let
>>>>> you wash the inside.
>>>>> Felix doesn't get sick very often but has a couple of times and it
>>>>> goes through into the filling.  Does anyone have suggestions for a
>>>>> washable dog bed?  Thanks.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
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>> Message: 25
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:03:25 -0500
>> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>    Computerized vest help dogs to talk
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>> Let's take it even further...  Someone pets my dog, and the voice says
>> something like "You aren't supposed to pet me...  Five seconds until I
>> bite."  Of course, then the vest would have to distinguish between the
>> handeler petting and strangers, but I can dream.
>>
>> I have to agree with Min here.  I don't want to walk around campus
>> hearing "tree" "car" or "person!"  That would be too much.
>>
>> On 7/29/13, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It sounds like a cool piece of technology, but it's just going to be
>>> another piece of equipment that we have to carry around that
>>> distinguishes us from the rest of the world. Furthermore, it's not
>>> really practical; I don't want to be walking down the street and
>>> having this voice announce to me what's in front of me every ten feet
>>> or so. After all, we were taught techniques during training so we can
>>> identify what is in front of us. If the dog stops, just reach out and
>>> you'll find out what's blocking your way. ...
>>>
>>> On 7/29/13, Star Gazer <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This reminds me of that book, I think called Congo where the monkey
>>>> could
>>>> use sign language. The movie version had her using a computer. Very
>>>> interesting and a bit disturbing.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 11:47 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Computerized Vest Helps Dogs TalkFW: [Gduf-l]
>>>> Computerized vest help dogs to talk
>>>>
>>>> Cindy,
>>>>
>>>> Oh, let's program it to do that! /lol/ I'm glad somebody else goes
>>>> instantly
>>>> to the, er, more creative uses for such a tool. /grin/
>>>>
>>>> If I let Mitzi do her own programming and choose what the vest
>>>> should say
>>>> to
>>>> me, I'm pretty sure none of it would be flattering. There would be a
>>>> flip
>>>> off in there somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> I also can't help wondering if we would finally find out the truth. Can
>>>> dogs
>>>> lie, after all? /lol/
>>>>
>>>> It is kinda fun to think about how to train the dog to use the vest
>>>> meaningfully. I have a glimmer of how training would go up to a certain
>>>> point using clicker training... But then I wonder. So I train the
>>>> dog to
>>>> respond to a tree by pressing the button for tree. So far so good.
>>>> Then I
>>>> go
>>>> for a nice shady walk.... Will I be hearing "Tree! Tree! Tree!"
>>>> every other step? How annoying would that be? /lol/
>>>>
>>>> It is an interesting concept, and I can think of scenarios where added
>>>> feedback about what stuff is would be truly useful. But mostly I
>>>> want to
>>>> get
>>>> one to play with it and my dog and see what happens. /lol/
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On 07/29/2013 04:11 AM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>>>>> I want one of these, and when people say, "Hi, Doggie!" or "Hello,
>>>>> puppy!"
>>>> I want the dog to say, "Well, hello." I've always thought something
>>>> like
>>>> that would be so fun because it would totally freak out the person who
>>>> spoke
>>>> to the dog. Yes?
>>>>>
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 29, 2013, at 5:38 AM, "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Computerized Vest Helps Dogs Talk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine you are working your guide dog and it stops, telling you the
>>>>>> path before you is blocked. If you are a blind handler, you will know
>>>>>> the dog won't go forward even if you tell it to because it uses
>>>>>> intelligent disobedience to avoid the obstacle. Even as you trust
>>>>>> your dog and proceed to go around the obstacle, you may not know what
>>>>>> is in front of you blocking the way. Instead of being led around the
>>>>>> unknown obstacle, and perhaps not ever realizing what it could be,
>>>>>> you are told by the dog via a computerized voice or text that it
>>>>>> is wet
>>>> cement. Pretty cool, huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Say hello to a computerized prototype vest for dogs named
>>>>>> "Facilitating Interactions for Dogs with Occupations", a.k.a. FIDO
>>>>>> that is meant to help handlers communicate with their service dogs.
>>>>>> According to recent news articles, the device looks like a typical
>>>>>> service dog vest that hugs the canine's shoulders and back, fastening
>>>>>> under the dog's belly. The FIDO model has a compact computer with a
>>>>>> microprocessor that sits between the dog's shoulder blades with
>>>>>> several distinctly shaped items which can be pulled or pushed by the
>>>>>> dog. Dogs can alert the handler to things like a tornado siren or
>>>>>> alarm, alerting the handler to the danger or obstacle with just a tug
>>>>>> on
>>>> a string or push of the nose on a button.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Researchers at Georgia Tech are working on the prototype vest to do
>>>>>> the very thing described above and much more. Since dogs can
>>>>>> understand about 700 words to convey what they see, smell or hear
>>>>>> around them, fine tuning the technology that enables us and the dog
>>>>>> to communicate better is only a tail wag away from becoming a
>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is all possible with a mini computer and a receiver, like Google
>>>>>> glass or an ear bud to either hear or see the information the dog
>>>>>> chooses to convey. For instance, the dog can tug on a toy that
>>>>>> represents the information, like stairs or a curb, which is sent via
>>>>>> a microcomputer to the handler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The alert system will depend on the dog owner's needs, though
>>>>>> researchers are still fine-tuning exactly how the owner will be
>>>>>> alerted to what the dog sees, hears, or smells. Potentially any dog
>>>>>> that works with its handler will be able to utilize the vest. This is
>>>>>> especially encouraging for explosive detection and search and rescue
>>>>>> dogs as well as dogs teamed up with people with disabilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The funding for this research is being paid for by a recent grant
>>>>>> from Google Glass team to the Georgia Institute of Technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Professor Melody Jackson from the Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>>> came up with this idea after discovering that one of her students
>>>>>> worked with a guide dog and wanted a better way to find out about the
>>>>>> obstacles the dog avoided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To read the article, go to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Responsible-Tech/2013/0716/FIDO-H
>>>>>> ow-a-co
>>>>>> mputer-vest-can-help-dogs-talk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, go here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2421792,00.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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>>
>> --
>> Julie McG
>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 26
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Dailyah <dailyahpatt at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>    <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] GDB questions - please reply off-list! Thanks!
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Hi All!
>>
>> I know we have a lot of GDB grads on the list, but I'm hoping someone
>> here works for them, has employment history with them, or maybe served
>> on their Board. ?I'd appreciate email if that describes you.
>>
>> Thanks in Advance,
>> Dailyah
>>
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>>
>> Message: 27
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:15:28 -0400
>> From: jeff crouch <kd8qiq at gmail.com>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hello everyone,
>> My name is jeff crouch, and I am 16 years old and am going to start
>> training with a guide dog on auguist 18th at Pilet dogs.
>>
>> I am wanting to know about something that I was told by a manager at a
>> place where I workout at. She told me that I will not be able to bring
>> my guide dog in because one of her clients who works out at that gym
>> is allergic to dogs and that the client made a ordeal about the last
>> service dog that came in. I don't know how to preseed, weather I just
>> leave it alone and not take the dog when I go to workout, or what I
>> should do. Advice would be greatly apreschated.
>> thanks
>>
>> --
>> smile.fm
>> KD8QIQ
>> Jeff Crouch
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 28
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:54:34 -0400
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
>> Message-ID: 11511081-29dd-4462-bf7f-ac7520038e3b at samobile.net
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>> Original message:
>>> There is medicine one can take if they truly have a problem with dogs.
>> Your dog can not be sent away because of this.
>> I would though make sure you didn't work with this person.
>> You are just coming home with a new dog, you surely don't want to leave
>> it alone.
>> You aare just starting to become a new team getting to know each other
>> in your home area.
>> The dog is wanting to trust you.
>> I understand you are a teen, where this is hard to stand up for what
>> you know is best.
>> Your dog will be your friend for all its life, many persons will walk
>> away.
>> We are here to help you, Many of us have been dog owners for years.
>> Wishing you the best.
>> Only you can decide.
>> Hello everyone,
>>> My name is jeff crouch, and I am 16 years old and am going to start
>>> training with a guide dog on auguist 18th at Pilet dogs.
>>
>>> I am wanting to know about something that I was told by a manager at a
>>> place where I workout at. She told me that I will not be able to bring
>>> my guide dog in because one of her clients who works out at that gym
>>> is allergic to dogs and that the client made a ordeal about the last
>>> service dog that came in. I don't know how to preseed, weather I just
>>> leave it alone and not take the dog when I go to workout, or what I
>>> should do. Advice would be greatly apreschated.
>>> thanks
>>
>>> --
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>>> KD8QIQ
>>> Jeff Crouch
>>
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>> Message: 29
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:13:41 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <Mike at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,    the National Association of Guide Dog
>>    Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
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>> Jeff,
>>
>> Your rights trump others.  They violate the law if they deny you
>> access with
>> your guide dog.  Remember, it is YOU who have the right to take your
>> guide
>> dog with you.  The dog has NO rights, you do.
>>
>> If someone has allergies then first they need to prove that their
>> allergies
>> constitute a true disability.  Then the
>> Gymn has to work with you and the other party to find a reasonable
>> accommodation.  In no case is such an accommodation denying you the
>> right to
>> bring your guide.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jeff crouch
>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 07:15 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] greetings. access issue
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> My name is jeff crouch, and I am 16 years old and am going to start
>> training
>> with a guide dog on auguist 18th at Pilet dogs.
>>
>> I am wanting to know about something that I was told by a manager at a
>> place
>> where I workout at. She told me that I will not be able to bring my guide
>> dog in because one of her clients who works out at that gym is
>> allergic to
>> dogs and that the client made a ordeal about the last service dog that
>> came
>> in. I don't know how to preseed, weather I just leave it alone and not
>> take
>> the dog when I go to workout, or what I should do. Advice would be
>> greatly
>> apreschated.
>> thanks
>>
>> --
>> smile.fm
>> KD8QIQ
>> Jeff Crouch
>>
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