[nagdu] How long is "successful"

Mon Jun 10 14:57:57 UTC 2013

Right, Larry, my point is that you know your neighborhood. How would your
dog respond in a neighborhood you didn't know? 
Your dog is doing what I always think of as blowing curbs. This is fine if
you can see the curbs, or know where they are. It's less fine when you face
plant over a curb your dog would normally have stopped for. 
Julie's example is a bit different, her dog indicates there is a change in
the landscape. From what you've written, yours does not. 
That's fine if that's what you want. It wouldn't be fine with me, based on
what I think you're saying. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. Keeler
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"

Well, the point is that in my neighborhood, I know where those small curbs
are at. She does stop at the big ones and whenever there are obstacles in
the way. But, for me, the little ones where I live are not that important so
I don't get on Holly to do them. I could have but its really not that
important. Some folks might not consider that successful but, i don't really
mind. I do  care if obstacles are there and if she didn't stop for them! 
Some folks will tolerate there dogs eating things they shouldn't or sniffing
other folks for example. What I consider successful is that if I want Holly
to do something, I can get her to do it with a minimum of fuss. If I want
her to stop at those little curbs, she will! And, if we are somewhere that I
don't know, she will anyway. I guess success for me is knowing what your dog
will do when you do something and what your dog knows you will do! And, if
your dog listens to your commands and you listen to the dog.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"

> Larry,
> Your post about your dog not stopping at curbs as a good example of 
> how difficult this is to deal with.
> Reading your post, I was thinking "I couldn't deal with that 
> behavior". Y Ou feel differently. You love your dog. You and she have 
> a history. I don't know your dog, and have no history with her.
> I'm wondering if the statistics used on marriage and divorce rates 
> would serve as a good model?
> We all know people who have been married for 60 years and are miserable.
> Yet, for all kinds of reasons they stay married.
> Likewise, we all know marriages that ended quickly for any number of 
> reasons.
> And as with dogs, we all have a friend where we think "How does she 
> put up with *that*".
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry D. 
> Keeler
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:19 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
>
> Aggreed! My point is that too many variables exist to have a perfect team.
> You have to use some kind of continuum scale to measure. And, what 
> success if for one is not the same as it is for another. If you use 
> saftey as you're standard most folks I know at least have that 
> covered.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
>
>
>> Well, I'd say that even if a team works for one month and does well, 
>> they're successful.  I say this because after one gets home, things 
>> could happen.
>> Dogs get sick, humans get sick, dogs die, humans die, circumstances 
>> change, etc., etc., etc.
>>
>> I just don't think we can put too much of a figure on it.  I figure, 
>> though, one can begin to tell how successful a team is after they get 
>> home and work a bit.  One can also tell during class if a team might 
>> be successful or not.
>>
>> Margoa nd Arrow
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy 
>> Carcione
>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:04 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] How long is "successful"
>>
>> Darla asked how long a team has to be out to be "successful".  I'd 
>> say at least 2 years, just to put a number on it.  Or possibly 3; I 
>> could argue either way.
>> I'd be real curious to see numbers from schools of teams graduated, 
>> and partnerships that lasted 3 years or more. I think that should be 
>> a pretty good indicator as to how well the school is doing. I mean, 
>> if school X put out 500 teams, and 300 of them stayed together, 
>> that's only a 60% success rate, and not so good.  But if 400 of them 
>> worked 3 years or more, that's 80% success, which is pretty good.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
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