[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
Carol Osmar
osmarc at sbcglobal.net
Tue Jun 25 22:33:11 UTC 2013
Hello Rhonda, Thanks for the welcome. Congratulations on the new
dog. It sounds like you are doing a great job.
I feel like I know you from somewhere else but I don't know
where.
Carol
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From: rhonda cruz <rhondaprincess at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:52:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
hello ccarol, wellcome to the group,
i'm rhonda, and i have my first guide dog. i have trained my
dog to fallow the line in the stores,
and she fallows well.
and i keep her comtral.
of her. the way,
i know how.
i feel the leash,
and i keep my dog focused.
On Jun 25, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Star Gazer wrote:
Carol, it is doubtful the dog users you know cut in line just to
piss you off, though some may be. Using a dog is very different
then using a cane because you have to be aware of what the dog is
doing. So for example you are at the movies. You want to get in
line but there isn't just one. You go to the line you want and
the movie you want to see is popular. Your dog stops and you
reach your hand out only to find an old dude petting your dog.
Or the line isn't a strait line kids are slightly separated from
their folks so your dog isn't sure where the end of the line is.
Is it behind the teenager playing with her phone or the mom who
may or may not be responsible for the three kids milling around
her. You will also sometimes get movie theater staff that want
to help you and your dog in ways they won't when you have a cane.
All this can impact the line experience.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 25, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Carol Osmar <osmarc at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Thanks for all your responses.
So, I believe what all of you are saying is, it is one of many
learning processes that is taught but a skill that not everyone
chooses to practice. Although you don't have a cane that will
tap the heel of the last person in line, if you are alert in your
surroundings you can generally tell when you are at the back of
a group of people. Even with a cane I am not 100 percent
accurate.
You have made me feel better about this issue.
Carol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net
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Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:50:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
Mike, I've seen folks do that with canes as well.
Unfortunately, rude folks
come in all shapes and sizes.
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
Carol,
There is no excuse for rudeness anywhere. If guide dog users
plow through
people they are being inconsiderate.
Dogs do look for ways around obstacles, and people can be
obstacles. It is
up to us as guide dog users to watch our dogs' behaviors to make
sure they
are not helping us cut in lines. We are still in charge and
need to manage
our guides.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol
Osmar
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 05:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
Hello All, I am new to the list, and am looking forward to
learning from
your discussions. I am in my 60S and recently retired. I have
been a cane
user all my life, but just recently applied for a guide dog, so,
I have a
lot to learn.
Although I haven't had a dog, I have been around many people
with guide
dogs, and I have noticed on many occasions, a blind person with
a dog will
plow his way through a crowd to get to the head of the line. I
feel this is
rude. My question is, Do the schools address the issue of
curtesy to others
when using a dog?
I have never been in New York City, so I don't know what it is
like traveling there as a blind person. Perhaps you would be
trampled if
you are not aggressive there.
Carol ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
I think a dog is much better for moving easily through a crowd.
I know
plenty of people use canes in New York City, but I imagine they
have to slow
way down when things get crowded, or whack a lot of ankles.
Ben just
slides on through, finding spaces between people. Ben is one of
those
"pushy urban dogs". Crowds are something of a specialty with
him, and I
really appreciate that.
Tracy
Great point Nicole as even the best cane user would not find
such an
obstacle.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Nicole
Torcolini
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:08 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'
Subject: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes
Okay, yes, I know that this one has gone round and round before,
but I had
something happen today that made me just have to bring it up one
more time.
There is the way of thinking that says that the good cane user
should be
able to travel as quickly and as safely with a cane as with a
dog.
However,
unless you wear a full body shield, I just don't think that that
is true.
For reasons that I will not discuss here, I was out walking
today with my
cane rather than Lexia. I was traversing a route that I have
taken
numerous times with Lexia. Lexia usually stays a tiny bit from
the edge of
the side walk. However, as I was using my cane rather than
Lexia, I was
trailing the edge. There is a staircase that comes down from
a building
that has a railing that sticks out farther than the bottom
step. With
Lexia, this had never before posed a problem as she had cleared
it as an
obstacle.
However,
I had no way of detecting it without her; it was at hip level.
As a
result,
I ran right into it. I was not hurt or anything, but it just
goes to show
that there are those things that a guide dog, at least a well
trained one,
usually detects that a cane cannot.
Nicole
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