[nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Sat Jun 29 18:22:19 UTC 2013

Yikes, someone telling you to go without a mobility aide, is that what I am
understanding? I certainly move around with neither dog nor cane in certain
areas, but they are areas that I know well. When I received Lexia, we
sometimes heeled our dogs when moving around the building. At these times,
we used our canes. Somehow, I never got frustrated with the
why-is-my-dog-stopping thing, but that is different for everyone. Maybe
because I had talked to several people about using a guide dog before
getting one, but that is beside the point. If having the cane around to help
problem solve works well for someone, especially in the beginning, that
there is no reason that that should not be around.
When learning new areas, I usually have a sighted person to help me, so I
don't use my cane that much, but, if I did not have sighted assistance , I
most certainly would use my cane in those situations, especially if it
included finding an object that the dog usually regards as an obstacle.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:46 PM
To: nagdu
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

Carol,
Yes, it is recommended to use your cane for patterning your dog and
familiarizing them to routes and landmarks.
Personally, I did this a lot when I returned to college with my dog.
Of course, I had massive trust issues.
The following feelings and statements are about the particular guide dog
program I attended. I have not extensively discussed multiple aspects of
other programs, so I will not make claims and comments out of ignorance.
During my class at my program, we were advised on the first night to start
walking around without our canes. I brushed this off and forgot all about
it, till I was reminded the next afternoon, since that was the day before we
would receive our dogs. Personally, I felt naked.
All my life, I considered my cane as a part of my body. Since I was
three-years-old, I had been using a cane. I did not use it everywhere all of
the time, but to familiarize myself with any location, I definitely used my
cane at first. I still feel like the program was faulty in that aspect.
These are guide dog instructors, not mobility instructors. They obviously
were not familiar with what the cane means, what it does, and the
relationship between it and its users.
Maybe everyone wasn't so hard pressed to let theirs go, but I was while I
was in class, and for about the next three months after I left school.
What I think they should do is have the student keep their cane with them
during the first week with their dog. The students shouldn't use the cane
because that would interfere with the dog; but when a hiccup concerning
making a turn or obstacle clearance occurs, the student could use the cane
to find out what is happening. For instance, I was on a walk at the school,
proceeding down the sidewalk, and my dog started moving over to the right.
Unfamiliar with moving laterally with my dog, I immediately stopped, then
told him forward. Again, he started curving right. I was perplexed by this
and just stood there and asked my instructor what was going on. She informed
me that the dog was clearing the side of an outdoor enclosure, and that I
needed to follow him. Okay, that's cool, but it would have been nice to have
used my cane to figure out what in the blazes my dog was doing. Also, for
curbs, construction barrels, and so on, it would have been nice to use my
cane first, then reach out or forward with my right arm or one of my feet to
realize that I can gather the same information using a different method.
During this incident with the outdoor enclosure, I was exposed to my dog's
sassiness in harness. If I wouldn't allow him to clear an obstacle, he would
just stop, back up, and let out a throaty sigh as if to say: "Okay Lady, are
you gonna let me do my job, or are you the guide for this team?" This
occurred more than I would like to say after I returned to my college
campus. I knew where everything was, and he had to figure it out, and I had
to somehow, teach him all of it and still allow him to guide me. This was a
great challenge. There were angled sidewalks, forked sidewalks, places where
we had to walk in the road and follow angled paths, and plazas to cross.
Whenever turning was possible, there were always three or four options, and
my dog always thought turning right was the correct path. It did not matter
if I said "forward" or "left," the path off to the right was his choice. Why
was he so stubborn? Back at school, things had never been this hard or
challenging.
My mobility instructor was extremely understanding. She had so much
experience and had seen dozens of people through their transitions from
being cane users to guide dog travelers. She already  knew of my trust
issues before I opened my mouth or walked with my dog under her watchful
eye. She encouraged me to carry my cane, but not use it on our first walk.
That was fine; the route was simple. But as the routes had more spins thrown
in, I became more and more frustrated. I resorted to pulling out my cane and
heeling for some of the routes, tapping landmarks and teaching him the way
with my cane. My instructor then advised me to start using my clicker, which
by the way, I think we only spent about two or three days on back at the
school. That was not long enough for it to stand out in the flurry of things
I had learned.
The clicker worked like a magic wand. He got excited when he saw it.
When he did things correctly and got a click and reward, he was pleased and
eager to do what I commanded. It made targeting and patterning easier.
I think if my guide dog program had weaned students off the cane, rather
than telling us to just walk around without it, this trust thing might not
have been so bad. That's questionable, especially considering I was
completely unfamiliar and inexperienced with communicating with dogs. It
also would have been nice if the school had taken the students to a college
campus to get the experience of traveling with a guide dog in such an area.
Okay, done rambling for now. I just thought it would be somewhat valuable to
share my experiences and get those things off my chest.
Phew!

--
Raven

Original Message:
Sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:54:10 -0800
From: Carol Osmar <osmarc at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,        the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
        <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [nard] The Differences in Dogs and Canes

As a potential dog user, I have a question.  Is it ever recommended to use a
cane while with your dog to locate the things you mentioned, or would that
somehow undermine the trusting partnership you have with your dog?

Carol

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