[nagdu] Elevator doors

Fri Mar 29 04:42:01 UTC 2013

As a sighted person who has many friends who are blind and use guide dogs,
I find it offensive that you call sighted people as not willing to help.

I am always willing to help anyone sighted or blind who is in an elevator
by just using common courtesy. I hold the elevator door open for a person
coming in or going out and if there is a guide dog present, I do the same.
I know there are a lot of rude people out there but not all sighted people
are rude.

I think you should rephrase your sentence to say "some" sighted people are
not willing to help instead of saying "most". I don't like to categorize
groups of people and categorizing sighted people in this way is just as bad
as categorizing blind people with the usual stereotypes.

Thank you for allowing me to comment.

Holly

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On Mar 28, 2013 2:42 PM, "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> wrote:

> Some trainer said to use sighted people to help in elevators??? Huh???
> Where does that trainer work?  What a totally crappy attitude.  Oh, I get
> it - you're supposed to take that little blow-up sighted person out of your
> pocket and inflate him like Wiley Coyote after the Roadrunner rolls a rock
> on him.  Hmmmm.
>
> Yeah, Eve, I do elevators the same as you do.  I have found that most
> sighted people don't want to lift a finger to help unless you are a
> sniveling, helpless-acting little cute blind girl - which I am not!  So, I
> just "man up" and be independent and do stuff on my own.  If I really do
> get into a jam, well I do get help then.  Good grief! LOL!
>
> Lyn and Landon
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> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Elevator doors
>
>
>  I REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS HERE. FIRST IT IS VERY EASY TO
>> STAY NEAR THE BUTTONS AFTER PUSHING IT AND IF IT SEEMS THERE ARE A LOT
>> OF PEOPLE COMING OFF, THEN PUT YOUR FINGER TO THE BUTTON TO HOLD THE
>> DOOR OR REOPEN IF IT STARTS TO CLOSE. WHEN WALKING INTO THE ELEVATOR,
>> IF IT STARTS TO CLOSE ON YOU, JUST PUT AN ARM UP TO STOP IT. MOST
>> ELEVATORS AFTER ALL OPEN FROM THE MIDDLE SO EITHER SIDE WILL WORK. AND
>> AS FOR THE TRAINER SAYING TO RELY ON SIGHTED PEOPLE; WELL THAT IS DAMN
>> RUDE. WE WANT INDEPENDENCE OR WE WOULD NOT BE GETTING GUIDE DOGS TO
>> WALK OURSELVES. SAME GOES FOR COMPUTER PROGRAMS AND BASICALLY
>> EVERYTHING ELSE. WHY MAKE THINGS ACCESSIBLE AND THEN TELL US TO FIND A
>> SIGHTED PERSON FOR HELP. JUST MY THOUGHTS. BY THE WAY, I LOVE DOING
>> ELEVATORS. LOVE HOW TAYLOR TAKES ME TO THE BUTTONS NO MATTER WHERE
>> THEY ARE SITUATED AND THEN BACKS UP TO SEE WHICH DOOR WILL OPEN FIRST.
>> SHE IS A REAL DOLL. EVEN IF SHE IS CURRENTLY BEING NAUGHTY BY BARKING
>> AT THE DOGS OUTSIDE. BLESSED BE. EVE
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They do the same on escalators too, just get off and stand there while
>>> people pile up behind them.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Elevator doors
>>>
>>>
>>> One problem I have consistently noticed is that when you are with other
>>> blind people   they go ahead and get off and then stop.  It never fails
>>> to
>>> amaze me!   know one behind them can get out before the door closes.  I
>>> always put my hand over the door now so it can't close and then hold it
>>> until my dog is clear.  I wish people would remember they have to go
>>> left or
>>> right because there is often a wall in front of you, and then figure out
>>> where to go from there.  riginal Message -----
>>> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 12:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Elevator doors
>>>
>>>
>>>  I remember having this same problem. I think the sensors are set at
>>>> human
>>>> waist height not dog height.
>>>> I never found a good solution. And Dar is right, a sighted person won't
>>>> always hold the door. Either there isn't one around, or they aren't
>>>> thinking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.**org<nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:52 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Elevator doors
>>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>> Seeing eye and I had a fight over this one. the lady I argued with was
>>>> Kim.
>>>> At this time or shall I say that time she was an apprintes.
>>>> I like putting the dog on the opposite side of the closing door on the
>>>> elevator.
>>>> Then my back side gets hit with the door not the dog.
>>>> I was forever told, seeing eye doesn't do this.
>>>> I said, they do now.
>>>> I was told a sighted person would always hold the door.
>>>> My reply was,
>>>> In your dreams.
>>>> She didn't like that either.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been having trouble with elevator doors.  The elevators in my
>>>>> office building close very fast.  I try to put my hand on the door to
>>>>> stop it closing, but it's tricky to hold the door and keep myself and
>>>>> Ben both out of the way of the people getting out.  Once in a while,
>>>>> some thoughtful person will hold the door for me, but other times, all
>>>>> the people get out and the door starts to close, so Ben refuses to
>>>>> start in, wisely enough, and I end up waiting for the next one and
>>>>> hoping
>>>>>
>>>> I can get in before it closes.
>>>>
>>>>> It's pretty annoying.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>
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