[nagdu] Greeting People while in harness

Lyn Gwizdak linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Wed May 8 18:45:53 UTC 2013 

Hi Eve,
Well, the 90 degrees never materialized but still was very nice out last 
Friday!

Yeah, that's a good response to the people who don't want to leave your dog 
alone.  Treat these folks like they're like any other distraction.  With the 
leash on the head collar, GENTLY turn the dog's head AWAY from the 
distraction and tell the dog, "Leave it".  And hup-hup the dog if the 
petting is a drive by variety - that is while the dog is guideing you and 
you're walking.

Once your dog gets it that distracting towards and giving the person the 
reaction from the dog they want, they'll soon give up.  I find that people 
are attracted to dogs that give them eye contact and wagging tails.  When we 
are walking, Landon will actually turn his head away when people try to get 
his attention - even if they do a drive by petting.  The people give up 
because they don't get the desired attention back from the dog.  This is 
basically when we encounter strangers.  Landon will respond if he sees 
friends!

Lyn and Landon
"Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like 
asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greeting People while in harness


Well enjoy your heat wave. ;) Actually we are havingg about the same
temps, but no beach. I think I will try it. It is not at all that she
is solicitating the attention, but she bends to temptation when the
attention is so freely given by people. So because of this, I could
just tell anyone that asks that she wears it because of them. If all
these well meaning people would leave her alone, whe would not need
it. Might get the point accross. Thanks, Eve

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Eve,
> First, before I forget, Moderators, would you please change my email 
> address
> to a new one.  My outgoing email is going out on my leg1950 at cox.net 
> account
> but I still have the current one of linda.gwizdak at cox.net .  Thanks.
>
> Now, Eve to your question.  Because you have greater control of the dog.s
> head with the head collar - your Halti, you will know sooner that your dog
> is picking up stuff off the floor or soliciting attention from people. 
> Give
> the dog's head a GENTLE tug AWAY from the distraction and remind "Leave 
> it"
> or whatever similar command Pilot uses.  You must NEVER jerk the leash 
> when
> attached to a head collar like you do with a choke chain.  Does your dog 
> try
> to interact with people as you are walking down a sidewalk or does it 
> happen
> when you are in a big crowd or standing and talking with people like at an
> event or party?  If you are standing still and talking, hold the leash 
> short
> and keep the dog's head fairly close to your leg.  Don't force the dog to
> have his face on your leg, just very close and under control.  Use the 
> Halti
> every time until the dog realizes that socializing withouot your 
> permission
> is not the thing to do.  I had to do this with Landon for almost TWO YEARS
> before he settled down and quit doing it as much.  Even now, I still carry
> it - or rather Landon carries it in his pouch so I can stop and put it on
> him when I find myself correcting him for distraction more than one leash
> correction.
>
> The head collars tend to "cool their jets" so to speak and the dog tends 
> to
> act more reserved in the collar than out of it.  If anyone gives you a
> hassle about "putting that muzzle" on the dog, you can just tell them that
> it is NOT a muzzle but a device just like the halter put on a horse and it
> gives you better control  They've been on the market since the mid 1990s 
> and
> more people know what they are now and I get no trouble from anyone.
>
> HTH and have a great day.  Today it is forcasted to be around 90 at the
> beach in San Diego and so far no big fire in our coounty.
>
>
> Lyn and landon
> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Sanchez" <celticyaya at gmail.com>
>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:05 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greeting People while in harness
>
>
> Lyn, First, yes the leash still has a built in muzzle, but if the dog
> needs it they also give out Haltys andwhatever equipment is warranted.
> Now, are you saying the Halty helps with the socializing of passing
> humans? I never thought of using it for something like that. Could you
> explaing please how this would work? I still have Doxie's Halty and
> though I have no problem with Taylor sniffing, she is easily tempted
> into socialization. Actually she always pcis things up too, so maybe I
> should have already thought of using one to keep her head up and her
> mouth empty. Hmmm. Well, now that I am thinking of that... Still, let
> me know about the socializing thing wil ya? Thanks, Eve
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>> Your school doesn't issue a head collar - a Halti or Gentle Leader? 
>> these
>> replace the old muzzles that schools used to issue years ago - way before
>> ADA and many bus services demanded we have muzzles for our dogs.  I 
>> prefer
>> Gentle Leader over Halti because the GL is more adjustable and the dog
>> usually can't pull it off with its feet.  Both are sold at most pet 
>> supply
>> places - stores or online.  PetSmart and PetCo sell them.  Most Labs will
>> wear a size Medium.
>>
>> People buy these to have better control over their dogs.  They work much
>> like a halter on a horse - control of the animal's head.  We were taught
>> how
>> to put them on and use them for things like curbing unwanted socializing
>> or
>> snarfing stuff off the ground or floor. Ask your guide dog school about
>> it.
>> Did you go to Pilot?  If so, I'm wondering if they still have the 
>> built-in
>> muzzle on the leash - actually part of the leash.  I saw a Pilot Dogs
>> leash
>> in the 1990s when my friends had dogs from there.
>>
>> My harness pouch is sold at pet stores and called "Leash pouches".  They
>> have two short Velcro bands for attaching the pouch to either the leash,
>> harness handle, or backstrap. One end of the pouch has Velcro closure and
>> the other end has an elastic hole for pulling out a poop bag. I don't 
>> know
>> if GDUI still sells these or not.  In mine, I put Landon's head collar 
>> and
>> some poop bags.
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is like
>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah" <coastergirl92 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:21 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greeting People while in harness
>>
>>
>> Wow, I've never seen a head collar.  I don't have one either.  I
>> didn't receive a harness pouch either.
>>
>> Sarah and Wizard
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 1 May 2013 14:59:27 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greeting People while in harness
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>> When I first had landon and basically for the first year with
>> him, he would
>> go up to everyone and lick them or their hands - mostly in
>> crowds.  I solved
>> this problem by putting his head collar on him when I knew we
>> were going
>> into situations of crowds.  He still may do this occassionally
>> now but
>> nowhere like before.  I carry the head collar in his harness
>> pouch so I have
>> it at all times ready to pull out and put on him when needed.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship
>> is like
>> asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sarah" <coastergirl92 at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greeting People while in harness
>>
>>
>> I am glad to know that I am not alone.  I don't even like
>> boarding buses with my dog because he tries to drag me to greet
>> the driver.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:44:55 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greeting People while in harness
>>
>> Hey, Sarah!
>>
>> Mitzi poodle does something like that, too, wanting to take me
>> over to
>> chat with folks, especially folks I know.  At first, this made me
>> crazy.
>> Then I realized that it's kinda nice to know when friends and
>> acquaintances are there to greet, since I want to greet them,
>> too.  /smile/
>>
>> So basically, I just started toning her down by treating it like
>> any
>> other distraction, which is what you seem to be doing.  But now
>> we kinda
>> have a communication so I know she's pointing out a "friendly." I
>> can
>> tell by her little veer and dance, at least usually.  We're
>> working
>> through that little routine again, though, because of all the
>> visiting
>> in the retirement center and post acute care and all...  I don't
>> have the
>> heart to crack down on the residents about petting and all when
>> she's in
>> harness, since she's really good about getting back to work.  But
>> now
>> they are all our good, dear friends, apparently.  /lol/ I have no
>> idea of
>> my way around the new wing where my Dad just moved because of all
>> the
>> extra zigging and zagging we seem to do.  Some of it is going
>> around slow
>> moving folks with walkers and wheel chairs, but some is saying
>> hello to
>> people who must touch the dog...  Very confusing! But we're
>> getting our
>> new sctick down.
>>
>> Anyway, it sounds like you're doing the right thing by just
>> treating it
>> as a distraction.  I wonder if that need to say hello to everyone
>> we know
>> is a poodle thing?
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 04/22/2013 10:41 PM, Sarah wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I was wondering what I should do about Wizard's people
>> distractions.  I
>> rarely ever let people pet him while in harness.  But whenever
>> someone
>> talks to me, or talks in our general direction, he tries to take
>> me over
>> to greet them.  He tries to drag me over to people if he knows
>> them real
>> well such as my mom or aunt.  What do you think I should do
>> besides just
>> pulling on the leash when he gets excited?
>>
>> Sarah and Wizard
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Shannon Dyer <solsticesinger at gmail.com
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:31:52 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hello
>>
>> I think this is a matter of personal preference.  I don't
>> usually allow
>> my dog to be petted in harness.  Obviously, people do it without
>> my
>> permission from time to time.
>>
>> Shannon and Ace
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>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 7:24 PM, lrsj89 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Can you let some one pet your Guide dog if he or shee is setting
>> or
>> laying down?
>>
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