[nagdu] Guide Dog Schools

ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 3 01:30:50 UTC 2013


Hello list,

What is guy dog foundations ownership policy? Thank you for your time. 

Lora

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> On Nov 2, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Brandydp <brandydp at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Let me appolotize for that email.  I just hit reply to go to Marion and not reply all.  On yahoo talk lists hitting reply makes it just go to the sender but apparently not this one.  I was not trying to school bash.   I know many happy fidelco users and if was getting a shepherd would probably go there   The contract is just very different from what I have seen.  
> 
> brandy pinder
> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc® 
> and America's VetDogs®, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc® 
> Providing "Second uSight"® since 1946
> 
> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
> Cso: 866-282-8047
> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
> Cell: 304-685-4499
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Brandydp <brandydp at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Marion, 
>> I was wondering if you could send me all the agreements or if they were available somewhere   I am a gdf grad and began learning about the nfb through Cheryl echevarria   Upon looking at fidelcos agreement it is a little strange.  It basically states you must continue feeding their food and I dislike their photo consent being in this agreement   It should be signed before class.  So what if photos aren't permitted they take my dog.  Interesting   I am also on gdf's alumni council so this stuff interests me.  
>> 
>> brandy pinder
>> Alumni Council -  second vice Chairman
>> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc® 
>> and America's VetDogs®, The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc® 
>> Providing "Second uSight"® since 1946
>> 
>> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike smith town ny 11766
>> Cso: 866-282-8047
>> Email: brandydp at verizon.net
>> Cell: 304-685-4499
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2013, at 7:40 AM, "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>>  I am happy to hear that you have had nothing but good experiences
>>> with Fidelco; however, the fact is that Fidelco employs policies and
>>> practices that are extremely paternalistic for the 21st century. Two
>>> specific issues with Fidelco are their practice of making surprise visits to
>>> consumers and, when consumers object, reminding them of their contractual
>>> ability to remove the dog. Here is that clause directly from Fidelco's
>>> agreement, the text of which is attached to this message in its entirety.
>>> 
>>>   (d)  I agree that Fidelco may repossess the dog in the event I do not
>>> comply with this agreement, in the event I do not provide proper and humane
>>> care
>>> for the dog as determined by Fidelco in its sole judgment, or for any other
>>> reason as determined by Fidelco in its sole and absolute discretion.  In
>>> such
>>> event, title to the dog will revert to Fidelco automatically at Fidelco's
>>> option.
>>> 
>>> There are a number of other issues with the agreement, however, this is the
>>> most troubling of them!
>>> 
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> 
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc.
>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>> (813) 626-2789 (Office)
>>> 888-NAGDU411 (Hotline
>>> President at nagdu.org
>>> www.nagdu.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 1:58 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>>> 
>>> As a Fidelco client I completely disagree with the statement that Fidelco
>>> has contract issues. The issues are definitely personal and not Fidelco's
>>> fault. 
>>> I have had nothing but good experiences with Fidelco over the last three
>>> years and I know a lot of people who feel the same way. There are a certain
>>> handful of folks on this list who have personal issues with Fidelco and tend
>>> to be much louder than the people who have good experiences.
>>> You should definitely read the contract to make sure you are aware of the
>>> rules. That is the case with any guy dog school. Just keep an open mind.
>>> Every school has good and bad things. Every school has someone who loves
>>> them and hates them. I'd recommend that you decide what breed you want, see
>>> what school meets your needs the best, and go forward from there. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:18 PM, "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> First, watch out for Fidelco! They have contract issues. Before you
>>> decide, make sure you read and understand the contract. The other thing,
>>> schools when possible do give you a choice. Now always can they accomidate
>>> but usually they can. I went to Pilot because I wanted a poodle. They breed
>>> them down there. However, I ended up qith a labradoodle wich is almost as
>>> good! As for training at school or at home, I think it would be more useful
>>> to train at hom. But, if you know your neighborhood, it doesn't matter as
>>> much.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shickeytha Chandler" 
>>>> <shickeytha at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:44 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Guide Dog Schools
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am new to the list. I currently travel with a cane, but am very 
>>>>> seriously considering getting a guide dog in the near future. I am 
>>>>> doing research on guide dog schools to see which might be best for me.
>>>>> I am considering Fidelco, Guiding Eyes and the Seeing Eye. Does 
>>>>> anyone on this list have either particularly positive or especially 
>>>>> negative experiences with any of these schools? If so, I would be 
>>>>> interested to hear your feedback. Also, I noticed that Fidelco does 
>>>>> training at your residence, whereas the other schools bring you to 
>>>>> their campuses for training. I would like to hear perspectives about 
>>>>> the disadvantages and advantages of each of these methods of training.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Finally, I know that various types of dogs are trained as guides, 
>>>>> ranging from labs to German Shepherds. I would like to know if 
>>>>> schools give you a choice as to what type of dog you are paired with. 
>>>>> Also, I would be interested to hear from anyone who has worked with 
>>>>> dogs of various kinds; I'd like to know your thoughts as to whether 
>>>>> there are distinct qualities that one breed possesses that another 
>>>>> breed does not generally possess. Of course, I am sure all dogs are 
>>>>> unique, even within a breed type.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know that is a lot of questions for one email. Thanks in advance 
>>>>> for any insight that you can provide.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Shickeytha
>>>>> 
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