[nagdu] Hi

Hannah Chadwick sparklylicious at gmail.com
Thu Nov 14 18:55:53 UTC 2013


I also know that Pilot Dogs train shepherds.  Either GDA or GDD 
may still be training them as well, but I'm not too sure.  The 
best of luck!

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:51:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi

Hi,
The majority of guide dog schools in the United States don't 
grant
full ownership.  As far as I know, there are only four schools 
that
grant full ownership out of the fifteen or so in the country.
Just because certain people are concerned with ownership does not 
mean
everyone has to be.  I chose Guiding Eyes, which does not grant 
full
ownership of the dog.  But my desire for an adult golden 
retriever and
financial assistance overruled anything else other schools had to
offer.
I am beyond sick of people putting down and dissuading people 
from
attending Fidelco.  Obviously, I would never attend this school 
because
of my breed preference, but I still cannot believe how many 
people are
very anti Fidelco and believe it is their mission in life to stop 
as
many people from attending that school as possible.  Fidelco is a 
small
school and trains outstanding dogs so far as I have seen.  There 
are
bad cases that come out of every school, and there are more 
schools
than just Fidelco that have seemingly repossessed dogs or 
harnesses
unjustly.  Out of all the teams that graduate from Fidelco, how 
likely
is a graduate to have their dog taken from them? I just do not 
believe
that this school would train dogs just to repossess them later.  
How
logical is that? How would that make them look to potential 
clients
and donors? Come on now!
Choose a school according to your personal judgment, needs, and 
wants.
Yes, take others opinion into account, but talk to graduates, not 
just
the bashers on this list.
If I wanted the guarantee of a healthy, stable working, adult 
German
shepherd and lived within the vicinity of the school, I would 
choose
Fidelco.
As for the other schools mentioned above.  Guiding Eyes offers 
home
training, but I think that school is only issuing labradors at 
this
time.  It's possible that there's some shepherds waiting to be 
matched
or in training, but you'd have to call and find out.
As for Leader and GDF, I'd say call to find out if they issue 
adult
German shepherds, and if they'd be willing to do home training 
with
you.  Fidelco still might be your best bet because they'll likely 
have
more German shepherds on hand, and may have a match sooner than 
the
other schools.
Do your homework.


On 11/14/13, barbandzoe at comcast.net <barbandzoe at comcast.net> 
wrote:


 I work at a fitness club, I do laundry and locker room attendant 
I am part
 time right now and have no vacation and sick pay.

 I had always though that guide dogs were only for people with no 
sight, and
 now I find that people who are legally blind can use a guide 
dog.  I don't
 like using a cane I feel funny.  Plus I have had abit of trouble 
with night
 and bright day vision since I get glaucoma.   Plus I am in my 
fifties and go
 home at night and I end up in the best part of town.  I have not 
had trouble
 yet, but all the people going to the bar and the guys out pan 
handling, well
 it would be nice to have a friend with me.  plus sometimes when 
I cross so of
 the busier streets, it is a bit of a guessing game.
 Plus I would have had a dog and time ago if I would have known 
this.

 If it is a cane or dog, I will take the dog anyday.

 Barb



 ----- Original Message -----

 From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:28:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi

 Not necessarily.
 Talk to other schools, GDF, Guiding Eyes, Leader, you've got 
nothing to
 loose.
 Leader Dogs also doesn't grant ownership.
 I'm not sure about Guiding Eyes.  GDF does.  Any school that 
doesn't grant
 ownership can take your dog back.  Think of it like renting.  If 
that gives
 you the willies, then you do need a school that grants 
ownership.
 Could you take medical leave or vacation time? Would you want to 
do this?
 I'm curious, what do you do? And, why do you want a dog now? 
Maybe if you
 can explain that to your employer, you'll have better luck?
 I had two dogs, and now use a cane.  If you like, email me 
off-list.


 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 barbandzoe at comcast.net
 Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:22 AM
 To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi



 Hi,

 Thanks for that.   I don't have the option to say it's like 
taking classes,
 cause we have no classes to take that would help me in my job.  
 I am a low
 level employee and they can find some one w=else to do my job.

 I have herd that about fidelco the taking of the dog.  That does 
bother me.
  But if I want a dog I would have to go through them because I 
can't get
 that kind of time off.


 Barb

 ----- Original Message -----

 From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:03:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi

 Barb,
 Talk to your boss and present it as training like computer or 
other
 training, training that you will use to help make you a better 
employee.
 Look at your com Pany and see what types of courses they offer, 
many do
 offer multiweek courses of all kinds.
 I'd approach from that angle.
 As for Fildelco, you have to understand that they don't grant 
ownership,
 which means they can take your dog at any time for any reason.  
It's be like
 if I lent you my Ipod, I could come and get it whenever I liked.  
The school
 may never do this to you, but they do have that option.


 -----Original Message-----
 From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 barbandzoe at comcast.net
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:33 PM
 To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi

 Yes, I have herd about things with fidelco, but I don't know 
what the issues
 are.    I don't want trouble, and if I find they are to stricked 
 in some of
 their needs and conditions, I will look into another school.    
If the people
 who have dogs from fidelco get this, could they tell me what I 
may need to
 know.  I know Seeing Eye has GSD's but they have a four week 
program.   How if
 I can get my  boss to let me talk that time, I would go there, 
or pilot
 dogs.

 Thanks
 Barb

 ----- Original Message -----

 From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:46:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi

 Best of luck choosing a school.  Whatever school you choose, be 
sure to
 familiarize yourself with its contract.  Some  schools do not 
grant you full
 ownership of your dog and requires certain conditions be met.  
There are
 several people who got dogs from Fidelco on this list.


 Tai

 Sent  from my iPhone

 On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:26 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:

 II have been looking into Fidelco, mostly because they come to 
my house
 and train there for about three weeks, plus I really want a GSD.  
 It is
 hard enough to get a couple of days off work two to four weeks 
would be
 hard.   I know that I still have to take time off to train with 
Fidelco,
 but if I can't get a shift covered, maybe we could use that as a 
training
 session.    Plus I have two dogs at home that are my roommates, 
and the
 trainer could maybe help with introducing them.

 Barb

 ----- Original Message -----

 From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
 To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users"
 <nagdu at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:49:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi

 Welcome to the list.  It is my understanding that Guide Dogs for 
the Blind
 has a two week training program.  They have campuses in 
California and
 Oregon.  Their website is www.guidedogs.com.

 Tai



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:34 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:

 Hi am knew to the list, and my name is Barb

 I am looking into getting a guide dog, but haven't gotten any 
pepper work
 yet.  I am still looking at schools, but I am finding the 4 
weeks away
 from home and work a bit much to work around.   I want a dog and 
hope to
 get things started soon.

 Barb
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