[nagdu] Hi
Larry D. Keeler
lkeeler at comcast.net
Thu Nov 14 19:47:53 UTC 2013
No, they don't.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raven Tolliver" <ravend729 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
Hannah, Barb is looking for a school that does home training. I don't
believe any of the schools you just listed provides that service.
Also, last I checked, GDB traded their stock of shepherds for another
school's stock of goldens.
On 11/14/13, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also know that Pilot Dogs train shepherds. Either GDA or GDD
> may still be training them as well, but I'm not too sure. The
> best of luck!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:51:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Hi,
> The majority of guide dog schools in the United States don't
> grant
> full ownership. As far as I know, there are only four schools
> that
> grant full ownership out of the fifteen or so in the country.
> Just because certain people are concerned with ownership does not
> mean
> everyone has to be. I chose Guiding Eyes, which does not grant
> full
> ownership of the dog. But my desire for an adult golden
> retriever and
> financial assistance overruled anything else other schools had to
> offer.
> I am beyond sick of people putting down and dissuading people
> from
> attending Fidelco. Obviously, I would never attend this school
> because
> of my breed preference, but I still cannot believe how many
> people are
> very anti Fidelco and believe it is their mission in life to stop
> as
> many people from attending that school as possible. Fidelco is a
> small
> school and trains outstanding dogs so far as I have seen. There
> are
> bad cases that come out of every school, and there are more
> schools
> than just Fidelco that have seemingly repossessed dogs or
> harnesses
> unjustly. Out of all the teams that graduate from Fidelco, how
> likely
> is a graduate to have their dog taken from them? I just do not
> believe
> that this school would train dogs just to repossess them later.
> How
> logical is that? How would that make them look to potential
> clients
> and donors? Come on now!
> Choose a school according to your personal judgment, needs, and
> wants.
> Yes, take others opinion into account, but talk to graduates, not
> just
> the bashers on this list.
> If I wanted the guarantee of a healthy, stable working, adult
> German
> shepherd and lived within the vicinity of the school, I would
> choose
> Fidelco.
> As for the other schools mentioned above. Guiding Eyes offers
> home
> training, but I think that school is only issuing labradors at
> this
> time. It's possible that there's some shepherds waiting to be
> matched
> or in training, but you'd have to call and find out.
> As for Leader and GDF, I'd say call to find out if they issue
> adult
> German shepherds, and if they'd be willing to do home training
> with
> you. Fidelco still might be your best bet because they'll likely
> have
> more German shepherds on hand, and may have a match sooner than
> the
> other schools.
> Do your homework.
>
>
> On 11/14/13, barbandzoe at comcast.net <barbandzoe at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I work at a fitness club, I do laundry and locker room attendant
> I am part
> time right now and have no vacation and sick pay.
>
> I had always though that guide dogs were only for people with no
> sight, and
> now I find that people who are legally blind can use a guide
> dog. I don't
> like using a cane I feel funny. Plus I have had abit of trouble
> with night
> and bright day vision since I get glaucoma. Plus I am in my
> fifties and go
> home at night and I end up in the best part of town. I have not
> had trouble
> yet, but all the people going to the bar and the guys out pan
> handling, well
> it would be nice to have a friend with me. plus sometimes when
> I cross so of
> the busier streets, it is a bit of a guessing game.
> Plus I would have had a dog and time ago if I would have known
> this.
>
> If it is a cane or dog, I will take the dog anyday.
>
> Barb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:28:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Not necessarily.
> Talk to other schools, GDF, Guiding Eyes, Leader, you've got
> nothing to
> loose.
> Leader Dogs also doesn't grant ownership.
> I'm not sure about Guiding Eyes. GDF does. Any school that
> doesn't grant
> ownership can take your dog back. Think of it like renting. If
> that gives
> you the willies, then you do need a school that grants
> ownership.
> Could you take medical leave or vacation time? Would you want to
> do this?
> I'm curious, what do you do? And, why do you want a dog now?
> Maybe if you
> can explain that to your employer, you'll have better luck?
> I had two dogs, and now use a cane. If you like, email me
> off-list.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for that. I don't have the option to say it's like
> taking classes,
> cause we have no classes to take that would help me in my job.
> I am a low
> level employee and they can find some one w=else to do my job.
>
> I have herd that about fidelco the taking of the dog. That does
> bother me.
> But if I want a dog I would have to go through them because I
> can't get
> that kind of time off.
>
>
> Barb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:03:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Barb,
> Talk to your boss and present it as training like computer or
> other
> training, training that you will use to help make you a better
> employee.
> Look at your com Pany and see what types of courses they offer,
> many do
> offer multiweek courses of all kinds.
> I'd approach from that angle.
> As for Fildelco, you have to understand that they don't grant
> ownership,
> which means they can take your dog at any time for any reason.
> It's be like
> if I lent you my Ipod, I could come and get it whenever I liked.
> The school
> may never do this to you, but they do have that option.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:33 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Yes, I have herd about things with fidelco, but I don't know
> what the issues
> are. I don't want trouble, and if I find they are to stricked
> in some of
> their needs and conditions, I will look into another school.
> If the people
> who have dogs from fidelco get this, could they tell me what I
> may need to
> know. I know Seeing Eye has GSD's but they have a four week
> program. How if
> I can get my boss to let me talk that time, I would go there,
> or pilot
> dogs.
>
> Thanks
> Barb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:46:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Best of luck choosing a school. Whatever school you choose, be
> sure to
> familiarize yourself with its contract. Some schools do not
> grant you full
> ownership of your dog and requires certain conditions be met.
> There are
> several people who got dogs from Fidelco on this list.
>
>
> Tai
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:26 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>
> II have been looking into Fidelco, mostly because they come to
> my house
> and train there for about three weeks, plus I really want a GSD.
> It is
> hard enough to get a couple of days off work two to four weeks
> would be
> hard. I know that I still have to take time off to train with
> Fidelco,
> but if I can't get a shift covered, maybe we could use that as a
> training
> session. Plus I have two dogs at home that are my roommates,
> and the
> trainer could maybe help with introducing them.
>
> Barb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:49:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Welcome to the list. It is my understanding that Guide Dogs for
> the Blind
> has a two week training program. They have campuses in
> California and
> Oregon. Their website is www.guidedogs.com.
>
> Tai
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:34 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Hi am knew to the list, and my name is Barb
>
> I am looking into getting a guide dog, but haven't gotten any
> pepper work
> yet. I am still looking at schools, but I am finding the 4
> weeks away
> from home and work a bit much to work around. I want a dog and
> hope to
> get things started soon.
>
> Barb
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