[nagdu] Understanding of Guiding was re ownership

Fri Nov 15 10:21:19 UTC 2013

Some dogs will still guide when out of harrness. Holly does but not as well 
as in. They just will naturally do what they do.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephanie" <naturelovingmom at gmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Understanding of Guiding was re ownership


> Tell me more about the leash guiding. I'm curious to know more.
> Gypsy you try and pull out in front a little if I'm with some one and have 
> her harness on but using the leash.
> Steph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "'Nagdu Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:22 pm
> Subject: [nagdu] Understanding of Guiding was RE:  re ownership
>
>>
>>
>> I firmly believe that our dogs understand that we are blind or at least 
>> that
>> we need them to guide us. I am not quite sure how it happened, but Lexia
>> kind of taught herself how to guide using just the leash. I don't have 
>> any
>> formal commands for it, and I don't use it unless it is somewhere that I 
>> am
>> comfortable going without a mobility aid of some sort. I can explain more
>> about how I do it if people are interested. Even when she is in harness 
>> and
>> I am not holding the harness handle, she insists on helping out.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie J
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:03 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] re ownership
>>
>> I am now 3 months into my private guide dog training plan.  Of course I 
>> own
>> Jetta and consequently choose how she will be trained, how that training
>> will proceed, who will do the training and every other detail of Jetta's
>> life.  Perhaps this level of control over the dog selection, raising,
>> training, care, etc. is more than most people are interested in, but for 
>> me
>> this has been absolutely the right decision.  It hasn't been easy. 
>> Finding
>> a breeder was a very long and stressful process.  I also miss Jetta a 
>> lot.
>> and of course, it's expensive.  For me though, those are easy sacrifices 
>> to
>> make because I know the things that are most important to me...ownership,
>> positive training methods, my breed choice and even most things that are
>> somewhat important I also get...frequent updates, my questions answered
>> anytime, premium food, and the ability to go visit Jetta when I want.  I
>> suppose everyone has to weigh the costs and benifits to their choices I 
>> am
>> very pleased with how well the choice to have Jetta privately trained is
>> going.
>>
>> For those who are interested, Jetta is 5 months old now.  she's finished 
>> her
>> first puppy class and is doing great in level two.  She can hold a stay 
>> for
>> over 20 minutes.  she has a very nice loose leash walk.  She is beginning 
>> to
>> show an understanding of guiding, although she has not been taught this
>> skill, and she is taking the initiative to guide.
>>
>> Anyway there's been a lot of talk about ownership and all that goes with 
>> it,
>> so I just wanted to toss out another perspective.
>>
>> JulieSent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Doug Parisian <eggmann at mymts.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I also don't care much about whether or not I actually "own" any of my
>> > dogs, but rather the ethics of the school which supplies my most 
>> > awesome
>> freedom.
>> > As it happens, I've gotten my five dogs (at different times, smirk)
>> > from The Seeing Eye where we of course "own" our dogs outright.  Hey,
>> > I live in an apartment and pay rent so I obviously don't own it and,
>> > if I break the rules of the landlord, I'm out the door.  Wonder how
>> > many folks would be so strong on ownership were they obliged to
>> > actually purchase to own, about the price sighted folks might pay for a
>> quality car, give or take a few thousand.
>> >
>> > Doug: where's the nearest barking lot?
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <craig.heaps at comcast.net>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:24 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] re ownership
>> >
>> >
>> > :I am one of those who really doesn't care. My guide, Chase, is great
>> > and we have a wonderful bond. But that's not changed by who owns him.
>> > At Guide Dogs for the Blind, I can apply for ownership after a year.
>> > I've had Chase four months now, and I'm not sure I'll apply in eight
>> > months from now. I'm really not concerned they are going to take Chase
>> > away from me. That is not to say I don't understand and respect the
>> > opinions of those who want ownership of their guides.
>> > :
>> > : ----- Original Message -----
>> > :
>> > : From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> > : To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > : Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:05:28 AM
>> > : Subject: Re: [nagdu] re ownership
>> > :
>> > : Aggreed! Although I'm in favor of ownership, I know some who just
>> > don't
>> > : care! I do strongly recomend that folks should look at the school
>> > contracts
>> > : before they sign so as to know as much as possible and avoid
>> > unpleasant
>> > : surprises! The contracts should be lookede at and us as consumers
>> > should
>>
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