[nagdu] Home training - Leader

Steven Johnson blinddog3 at charter.net
Sun Nov 17 01:38:23 UTC 2013 

Tracy, LD, to my understanding, are doing home training on a case by case
basis, but not just for graduates anymore.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:02 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] Home training - Leader

Hi Steve.
I didn't know Leader does home training.  Is it for retrains, or anyone who
needs it?
And I didn't know Leader has shepherds, either, so already today I've
learned 2 new things!
Tracy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi


Just as an FYI, Leader Dog does home training and does have a very strong
line of GSD's.


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:09 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi

Hannah, Barb is looking for a school that does home training. I don't
believe any of the schools you just listed provides that service.
Also, last I checked, GDB traded their stock of shepherds for another
school's stock of goldens.


On 11/14/13, Hannah Chadwick <sparklylicious at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also know that Pilot Dogs train shepherds.  Either GDA or GDD may
> still be training them as well, but I'm not too sure.  The best of
> luck!
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raven Tolliver <ravend729 at gmail.com
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:51:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
> Hi,
> The majority of guide dog schools in the United States don't grant
> full ownership.  As far as I know, there are only four schools that
> grant full ownership out of the fifteen or so in the country.
> Just because certain people are concerned with ownership does not mean
> everyone has to be.  I chose Guiding Eyes, which does not grant full
> ownership of the dog.  But my desire for an adult golden retriever and
> financial assistance overruled anything else other schools had to
> offer.
> I am beyond sick of people putting down and dissuading people from
> attending Fidelco.  Obviously, I would never attend this school
> because of my breed preference, but I still cannot believe how many
> people are very anti Fidelco and believe it is their mission in life
> to stop as many people from attending that school as possible.
> Fidelco is a small school and trains outstanding dogs so far as I have
> seen.  There are bad cases that come out of every school, and there
> are more schools than just Fidelco that have seemingly repossessed
> dogs or harnesses unjustly.  Out of all the teams that graduate from
> Fidelco, how likely is a graduate to have their dog taken from them? I
> just do not believe that this school would train dogs just to
> repossess them later.
> How
> logical is that? How would that make them look to potential clients
> and donors? Come on now!
> Choose a school according to your personal judgment, needs, and wants.
> Yes, take others opinion into account, but talk to graduates, not just
> the bashers on this list.
> If I wanted the guarantee of a healthy, stable working, adult German
> shepherd and lived within the vicinity of the school, I would choose
> Fidelco.
> As for the other schools mentioned above.  Guiding Eyes offers home
> training, but I think that school is only issuing labradors at this
> time.  It's possible that there's some shepherds waiting to be matched
> or in training, but you'd have to call and find out.
> As for Leader and GDF, I'd say call to find out if they issue adult
> German shepherds, and if they'd be willing to do home training with
> you.  Fidelco still might be your best bet because they'll likely have
> more German shepherds on hand, and may have a match sooner than the
> other schools.
> Do your homework.
>
>
> On 11/14/13, barbandzoe at comcast.net <barbandzoe at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>  I work at a fitness club, I do laundry and locker room attendant I am
> part  time right now and have no vacation and sick pay.
>
>  I had always though that guide dogs were only for people with no
> sight, and  now I find that people who are legally blind can use a
> guide dog. I don't  like using a cane I feel funny. Plus I have had
> abit of trouble with night  and bright day vision since I get
> glaucoma. Plus I am in my fifties and go  home at night and I end up
> in the best part of town. I have not had trouble  yet, but all the
> people going to the bar and the guys out pan handling, well  it would
> be nice to have a friend with me.  plus sometimes when I cross so of
> the busier streets, it is a bit of a guessing game.
>  Plus I would have had a dog and time ago if I would have known this.
>
>  If it is a cane or dog, I will take the dog anyday.
>
>  Barb
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
>  From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
>  To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>  <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:28:17 AM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>  Not necessarily.
>  Talk to other schools, GDF, Guiding Eyes, Leader, you've got nothing
> to  loose.
>  Leader Dogs also doesn't grant ownership.
>  I'm not sure about Guiding Eyes.  GDF does.  Any school that doesn't
> grant  ownership can take your dog back.  Think of it like renting.
> If that gives  you the willies, then you do need a school that grants
> ownership.
>  Could you take medical leave or vacation time? Would you want to do
> this?
>  I'm curious, what do you do? And, why do you want a dog now?
> Maybe if you
>  can explain that to your employer, you'll have better luck?
>  I had two dogs, and now use a cane.  If you like, email me off-list.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
>  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:22 AM
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>
>
>  Hi,
>
>  Thanks for that.  I don't have the option to say it's like taking
> classes,  cause we have no classes to take that would help me in my
> job.
> I am a low
>  level employee and they can find some one w=else to do my job.
>
>  I have herd that about fidelco the taking of the dog.  That does
> bother me.
>  But if I want a dog I would have to go through them because I can't
> get  that kind of time off.
>
>
>  Barb
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
>  From: "Star Gazer" <pickrellrebecca at gmail.com
>  To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>  <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 8:03:14 AM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>  Barb,
>  Talk to your boss and present it as training like computer or other
> training, training that you will use to help make you a better
> employee.
>  Look at your com Pany and see what types of courses they offer, many
> do  offer multiweek courses of all kinds.
>  I'd approach from that angle.
>  As for Fildelco, you have to understand that they don't grant
> ownership,  which means they can take your dog at any time for any
> reason.
> It's be like
>  if I lent you my Ipod, I could come and get it whenever I liked.
> The school
>  may never do this to you, but they do have that option.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> barbandzoe at comcast.net
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:33 PM
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>  Yes, I have herd about things with fidelco, but I don't know what the
> issues  are.  I don't want trouble, and if I find they are to
> stricked
> in some of
>  their needs and conditions, I will look into another school.
> If the people
>  who have dogs from fidelco get this, could they tell me what I may
> need to  know.  I know Seeing Eye has GSD's but they have a four week
> program.  How if  I can get my boss to let me talk that time, I
> would go there, or pilot  dogs.
>
>  Thanks
>  Barb
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
>  From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
>  To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>  <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:46:46 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>  Best of luck choosing a school.  Whatever school you choose, be sure
> to  familiarize yourself with its contract.  Some schools do not
> grant you full  ownership of your dog and requires certain conditions
> be met.
> There are
>  several people who got dogs from Fidelco on this list.
>
>
>  Tai
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:26 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>
>  II have been looking into Fidelco, mostly because they come to my
> house  and train there for about three weeks, plus I really want a
> GSD.
> It is
>  hard enough to get a couple of days off work two to four weeks would
> be  hard.  I know that I still have to take time off to train with
> Fidelco,  but if I can't get a shift covered, maybe we could use that
> as a training  session.  Plus I have two dogs at home that are my
> roommates, and the  trainer could maybe help with introducing them.
>
>  Barb
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
>  From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com
>  To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>  <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:49:09 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Hi
>
>  Welcome to the list.  It is my understanding that Guide Dogs for the
> Blind  has a two week training program.  They have campuses in
> California and  Oregon.  Their website is www.guidedogs.com.
>
>  Tai
>
>
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:34 PM, barbandzoe at comcast.net wrote:
>
>  Hi am knew to the list, and my name is Barb
>
>  I am looking into getting a guide dog, but haven't gotten any pepper
> work  yet.  I am still looking at schools, but I am finding the 4
> weeks away  from home and work a bit much to work around.  I want a
> dog and hope to  get things started soon.
>
>  Barb
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