[nagdu] some miscellaneous issues and updates fromAleehaandDallas

Wed Nov 20 22:16:12 UTC 2013

I have really tasty treats in mu mom's car and Jada loves cars now.

Jada wasn't particularly taken with chairs, but positive reinforcement
did wonderfully!

Abby and Princess Jada

On 11/20/13, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is is necessary for him to be under the chair. The lecture halls I am
> in have very tight quarters with students that do not pay attention to
> what they are stepping on. Dallas did very well this morning in my
> music class. He let me position him and he went right under the chair.
> :)
> Aleeha and the yellow boy
>
> On 11/20/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Do you have a chair that you can practice with? You need to work on at
>> some
>> point when you have a lot of time. It sounds like you need to back up and
>> take this one step at a time, starting with having Dallas just lay
>> between
>> your feet in front and slowly working to sliding him under the chair.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:13 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] some miscellaneous issues and updates
>> fromAleehaandDallas
>>
>> Bi,
>>   I am trying to get him to face outward, but he literally will not. I
>> have
>> to really coax and cajole him to get him settled. In my class today, all
>> he
>> wanted to do was go in head first. Be actually ended up settled next to
>> my
>> chair.
>> Aleeha and the studious Dallas
>>
>> On 11/17/13, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>>> Putting the dog under the chair with the head facing backwards also
>>> seemed counterintuitive to me, and I never did it. At TSE when I went,
>>> I was never corrected on this; it was a habit I got into with my first
>>> dog. In any case, it seems to me that having the head facing forward,
>>> between your feet, would give you better control over where your dog's
>>> head is and what his mouth may or may not be trying to grab off the
>>> floor, not to mention less likelihood of people trying to give your dog
>> stuff without your knowledge or consent.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 11:20 PM, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Nicole, that just seems counterintuitive for a dog to do
>>>> that. Also, a lot of chairs have bars and stuff on them so I don't
>>>> think squeezing them in there would be very comfortable.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/14/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>> Head facing the back of the chair? No offense , but, JMHO, there's
>>>>> your problem right there. Some dogs don't like putting their heads
>>>>> in confined spaces. Also, they like to be able to see what's going
>>>>> on, even if they are not directly involved in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of daniel
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:29 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] some miscellaneous issues and updates from
>>>>> AleehaandDallas
>>>>>
>>>>> hey aleeha, I wonder what it is about these dogs that set off the
>>>>> veehicle nervousness? If I remember correctly you went to training
>>>>> the class before I did (summer)? And I know Irene is having issues
>>>>> with all veehicles along with another member of my class. As for the
>>>>> chair thing: at tse they taught us to put the head facing towards
>>>>> the back of the chair...for some reason irene hates this. I've just
>>>>> started putting her with her head facing the table (or the front of
>>>>> the chair) and now she does just fine...
>>>>> When you get over the veehicle problem with dallas, could you let me
>>>>> know how you did it? I'm trying food rewards and they don't seem to
>>>>> have much affect...
>>>>> hope dallas is doing well,
>>>>> daniel and the allways sleeping Irene.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] some miscellaneous issues and updates from
>>>>> Aleeha andDallas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>    I contacted The Seeing Eye last week and spoke with someone
>>>>>> about these behaviors. I am working on them and hope to get them to
>> improve.
>>>>>> Dallas did show his fear of vacuum cleaners during training, but
>>>>>> never exhibited any of these other fears.
>>>>>> Thanks for all your wonderful suggestions!
>>>>>> Aleeha and the currently snoozing Dallas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/9/13, Nicole Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Did Dallas exhibit any of these behaviors during training? Have
>>>>>>> you contacted the school about any of them? As for suggestions...
>>>>>>> Do you have a chair at home with which you can practice him going
>>>>>>> under the chair? You might want to try it without the harness a
>>>>>>> few times as he might be nervous about the harness getting hung.
>>>>>>> Also, I would not recommend forcing him to go under the chair if
>>>>>>> he is afraid as this might just make things worse. Do you have a
>>>>>>> clicker and use clicker training? You could try to use it to train
>>>>>>> him to go under the chair. Start by sitting in the chair and
>>>>>>> having Dallas lay between your feet facing away from you. Click
>>>>>>> and treat. Once he is comfortable with that, make sure his tail
>>>>>>> and hind legs are not sticking out and gently scoot  him back a
>>>>>>> tiny bit toward the chair by putting both hands on his chest and
>>>>>>> pushing backwards. Don't push him all the way under the first time
>>>>>>> but rather work up to it. Each time, have him stay in that
>>>>>>> position for a little while and then let him get up. When he gets
>>>>>>> up,
>> make sure that he is not getting hung.
>>>>>>> He might be afraid of going under the chair because he got stuck
>>>>>>> once. Also, of course, make sure that you do not inadvertently
>>>>>>> move the chair while he is under it and get on his feet or tail or
>>>>>>> ear or something.
>>>>>>> As for the bus, I would recommend giving Dallas treats. Can you
>>>>>>> tell when there is going to be a stop? If so, you could pet him
>>>>>>> and try to keep him from jumping up. I would not use a correction
>>>>>>> for him jumping
>>>>> up.
>>>>>>> Instead,
>>>>>>> gently pull him back into a down position and try to calm him down.
>>>>>>> Once he is back in the desired position, give him a treat. Also,
>>>>>>> is this something that he does in all vehicles or just in buses?
>>>>>>> What does Dallas do when you vacuum at home? You could try get him
>>>>>>> used to it. Take Dallas in a room and shut the door. Have a friend
>>>>>>> go a few rooms away with the vacuum cleaner, but make sure that
>>>>>>> you have some way to communicate, such as a cell phone or walky
>>>>>>> talky. Put Dallas in a down position and give him a treat. Then
>>>>>>> have the other person turn on the vacuum cleaner. If he
>>>>>>> immediately jumps up, turn the vacuum off and start over.
>>>>>>> Keep doing this and using treats until he does not jump up any more.
>>>>>>> It may take a few sessions as doing it continuously for a long
>>>>>>> time can make it worse. Once he does not jump up, slowly increase
>>>>>>> the amount of time that the vacuum cleaner runs. Then, once he can
>>>>>>> tolerate it for more than a minute, have your friend move one room
>>>>>>> closer so that the noise is louder. Keep doing this until Dallas
>>>>>>> can tolerate it in the same room.
>>>>>>> If you take Dallas out on a regular schedule and know that he does
>>>>>>> not need to go when he pulls over into the grass, then I would
>>>>>>> give him a leash correction, and the same for when he just
>>>>>>> randomly stops, especially if it seems random and he does not seem
>>>>>>> to be confused or anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha
>>>>>>> Dudley
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 1:21 PM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] some miscellaneous issues and updates from Aleeha
>>>>>>> and Dallas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>  I know I haven't written in a while. It's been quite the busy
>>>>>>> time here.
>>>>>>>  Good news: Dallas did fairly well at our state NFB convention
>>>>>>> last week.
>>>>>>> He didn't have an accident in the hotel, but he was a bit
>>>>>>> constipated for a couple days. The biggest issue I saw was his dog
>> distractions.
>>>>>>> He likes to twist around in harness, making things very difficult.
>>>>>>> Most of the time, nothing but a high collar will get him even
>>>>>>> close to past a distraction.
>>>>>>>  I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for a couple of problems
>>>>>>> I'm having with Dally boy. He's a wonderful guide, but these
>>>>>>> issues are somewhat annoying. The first of them is his hesitance
>>>>>>> to go under chairs. I almost have to drag him under the chair,
>>>>>>> which makes both him and me uncomfortable.
>>>>>>> A sighted person says he shows some fear when I try to get him
>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>  Second, Dallas has a similar behavior on busses. He seems very
>>>>>>> fearful and, at times, cowers under the seat, leaping up at every
>>>>>>> stop.
>>>>>>>  Third is his irrational fear of vacuum cleaners. I can handle
>>>>>>> this at home, but when one is being used, in a restaurant, say, I
>>>>>>> literally cannot keep ahold of him.
>>>>>>>  The last issue is the most serious. Dallas likes to pretend he
>>>>>>> needs to park, pulling off to the grass and not going. He also has
>>>>>>> a tendency to stop in the sidewalk and stand there, looking
>>>>>>> around. No amount of coaxing will get him going again.
>>>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Aleeha and the little yellow Dally boy
>>>>>>>
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