[nagdu] Time-outs for Guide Dogs

Fri Sep 20 04:25:51 UTC 2013

Darla,
Minh explained what a timeout is.
See below.

From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:48 PM

GDB uses timeouts for the dogs when they get
distracted. For instance, if we're walking down the street and Viva
sees another dog and gets all wiggly and excited, I would use the
leash to pull her in right next to my leg and just hold the leash
close to the collar and then just ignore her for about ten seconds.
This method works really really well for certain dogs and not so well
for others.

On 9/19/13, Darla Rogers <djrogers0628 at gmail.com> wrote:
> What is a time-out for dogs, exactly, Shanna?
> Curiously,
> Darla & Huck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shanna Stichler
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:27 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>
> A dog with a less sensitive neck is likely not going to respond well to a
> martingale. They just won't feel the correction as much, so you will need
> to
> correct a lot harder for the dog to notice. This looks a lot worse to me,
> as
> compared with using a chain slip or even a prong collar but minimal to no
> actual leash handling.
>
> Also, positive punishment is a leash correction, verbal admonishment, etc.
> In the context of animal behavior, positive means to add something in order
> to cause a change in behavior, while negative would mean taking something
> away. An example of negative punishment that GDB uses is the time-out
> technique, reworking a distraction, etc. How effective those things are
> will
> depend on the dog. Mine thinks time-outs are actually a reward, and simply
> stands next to me and watches the distraction, which is typically a small
> animal, for instance.
>
> Shanna and Diamond
> On 9/19/2013 8:07 PM, Tina Thomas wrote:
>> You are giving a leash correction when you tighten the leash to get
>> your dog's attention. The only difference is the collar is made out of
>> nylon so it looks better in public. Also what is this positive
>> punishment GDB is using? Also, My girl is a GSD  with a very strong
>> neck and I think that collar would not be affective. I'm willing to
>> try it for myself. Where can I get this type of collar?
>> Tina and the girls
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:44 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>
>> Tina,
>>
>> What do you mean she could snap it in half? The martingail is made of
>> nylon with a middle loop in the middle that tightens up when you do a
>> leash correction.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 9/19/13, Tina Thomas <judotina48kg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What is positive punishment? Also, I am A Seeing Eye Grad, and we do
>>> use leash corrections and we also praise the dogs when they are
>>> exhibiting the desired behavior. As far as clicker training, it was
>>> used to target train the dogs. I have seen the collars that GDB is
>>> currently using, and for me I wouldn't use it on my dog, because I
>>> know
>> she would snap it in half.
>>> However, the collar looks  more  appealing to the public eye.
>>> Tina and the girls
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven
>>> Tolliver
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:37 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>>
>>> I believe the Seeing Eye also uses clicker training. I think they are
>>> starting to phase in treat training as well. Treat training is not
>>> necessary, but food is a primary reinforcer, so it's incredibly useful.
>>> I think the Seeing Eye is still correction-heavy with their dogs though.
>>> GEB
>>> is somewhere between compulsion training and clicker training,
>>> leaning more toward positive reinforcement training. I think GDB is
>>> the most positive with their dogs. They use positive punishment,
>>> positive reinforcement, and negative punishment. Also, they're
>>> issuing a lot, not all, dogs with martingale check collars.
>>> Personally, I believe the martingale check should be the norm; I'm
>>> sure it'll happen one day. Most of the dogs that are trained as
>>> guides are eager to please, so it would be nice to see gentler ways
>>> of handling and interacting with them, even when they misbehave.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/13, L Gwizdak <leg1950 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Guiding Eyes in New York and Guide Dogs for the Blind in California.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> "Asking who's the man and who's the woman in an LGBT relationship is
>>>> like asking which chopstick is the fork" - Unknown
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 7:04 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] training methods of schools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> How do the different training methods differ between schools? Which
>>>>> schools have begun to use more positive methods of training such as
>>>>> food rewards and clicker training? I'm sorry this question is so
>>>>> vague; however, I am truely curious. It is difficult to determine
>>>>> this kind of information from a training program's website so I
>>>>> thought it would be beneficial to ask those with firsthand
>>>>> experience. Any information would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Danielle
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