[nagdu] Why Training Programs Share Superficial Details was Guide dog school checklist

[Darla Rogers]

I'm sorry, Howard; I don't agree with that.  No matter what we do or do not
pay, it is a service, as is any other service, thus, since we are the end
user, we have every right to say something about training.  Does that mean
the school will change?  Not necessarily, but without consumers, the schools
wouldn't exist.
Darla & Huck


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard J. Levine
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:16 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Why Training Programs Share Superficial Details was
Guide dog school checklist

I agree that school don't do good job of working with handlers, but who is
paying for the dog. If we don't pay for our guide dogs then we don't have
lot to say, if you want to have more of say in how your guide dog is trained
then you need to pay up, then you can have big say.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of National
Association of Guide Dog Users
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:52 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: [nagdu] Why Training Programs Share Superficial Details was Guide
dog school checklist

Darla,
	It is refreshing to hear someone who believes the training programs
need to be more consumer oriented on the things that matter rather than on
the superficial details. Sometimes I think the training programs prefer to
focus upon the superficial in order to avoid those issues they would rather
not discuss. This is one of the reasons for having our Guide Dog Users' Bill
of Rights. Though some assert we are trying to force training programs to
comply with our opinions of what makes a good program, the real reason for
the Bill of Rights is to help consumers understand what sorts of details
need to be a part of a program that treats blind consumers with dignity and
respect.

	One of the items of the Bill of Rights is that of full disclosure
prior to committing to training. Some programs, for instance, fail to
disclose that their staff will make surprise visits or that they have the
right to repossess the guide dog without cause. Though they may deny either
is so, the record demonstrates it is! If they were to disclose such
information in advance, how many consumers do you think would opt for such a
paternalistic, intrusive program?It sound better to let consumers know that
they will have private rooms with internet and food prepared by a chef than
to let them know they could have their dog repossessed if they do not submit
to their irrational policies! JMHO!

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala


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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla Rogers
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:12 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide dog school checklist
Importance: High

Dear Raven,

	I'd like to see the schools themselves, be more descriptive of the
kinds of dogs they train--traits  they see, etc.--less about the rooms and
food, and the like, if this is making sense to everyone.
	Also some schools seem to have requirements that aren't spelled out
clearly--like having X number of routes traveled X times per week,
etc.--though this wouldn't be the purpose of the survey of which Marion
speaks, right?
Darla & hardworking Huck


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Raven Tolliver
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:03 AM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nagdu] Guide dog school checklist

Okay, so a few times a month, emails come into the list, from people asking
about which guide dog school the listers would recommend they attend or
avoid.
Would it be possible to have someone or a group of people comprise a list of
the various guide dog schools in the US and there most notable qualities and
most undesirable qualities? It would be nice to just access a website or
document with this information rather than having to look at several
different websites, make several different phone calls, and send a handful
of emails. This would at least make it easier to narrow down potential
schools to two or three, then do some further investigation.
I also think that it would make people aware that there are different kinds
of guide dog programs to choose from. Some people don't even know that
certain schools exist.
I understand that this would be very subjective as for what people think are
desirable or undesirable. Also, schools change training methods, breeds in
training, and other things from time to time, so this list would have to be
updated.
It would be nice if the old guide dog school survey would be updated, but
where's the progress on that?
What do you guys think?
--
Raven

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